Joel Diaz & Timothy Bradley: Dynamics of The Partnership

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  1. SkillspayBills

    SkillspayBills Mandanda Running E-Pen Full Member

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    Been thinking about this situation since the Alexander fight. I noticed Bradley fought a completely different fight to what Diaz asked of him. He was crude and reckless and when be asked to settle down he'd continue to march forward and wind up over hand rights and closing range without much class.

    He got the job done, He then fought Casamayor and again i felt it wasn't as skilled as he should be. Listening again to Diaz he's asking for something and not getting it. Not the hardest fight to produce it in either..

    Pacquiao fight i would need to revisit but think he stuck to a plan and did his best in a horrible situation with regards to injuries.

    But on Saturday that totally wasn't the plan. I read what Diaz wanted before hand and listened in between the rounds of the Provodnikov fight to Joel's comments and i couldn't believe what Bradley was doing and even in other rounds he'd revert back to his first round madness.

    Questions i'm asking..

    Do you feel Bradley has hit a ceiling in his development?. A guy who already made best use of his ability was there anymore room to grow?

    Do you feel Diaz has lost Bradley's focus?. A guy who was fighting to very well fought out plans and showing signs of developing in each fight up till Alexander IMO.

    If yes then if you was Joel would you maybe walk away?.

    Would be a big call that costs him financially obviously but also may make a stand to Bradley's behavior which i've found weird for sometime now. Sometimes a bond that close you got to accept things ain't right and things need to change.

    Bradley's got ability he's got ring smarts his display the other day wasn't just a one off he's been fighting in a crude manner for a while. Only the Pacquiao fight has he accepted he's not the alpha male..
     
  2. SouthpawJab

    SouthpawJab On his way up!! 4-0!! Full Member

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    I think the combination is great together. Bradley's in shape and almost always has a great game plan.
     
  3. SkillspayBills

    SkillspayBills Mandanda Running E-Pen Full Member

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    I agree with that but do you feel Bradley's not listening to Joel? it's not just Saturday as i mentioned even against Alexander he's got his own thoughts on job. I'm always impressed with Joel. He's a astute guy, He cares about his fighters and he's developed Bradley so well.

    I really hope Saturday's turned Bradley's head and gets him back to the fighter who showed the dog in him but kept it hidden well enough with classy boxing and ring smarts.
     
  4. SkillspayBills

    SkillspayBills Mandanda Running E-Pen Full Member

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    Do you think Bradley's hit a ceiling in Development SJ?
     
  5. SouthpawJab

    SouthpawJab On his way up!! 4-0!! Full Member

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    I think he's peaked. Yes. He tried working on his technique, but he still ended up slapping a lot.
     
  6. SkillspayBills

    SkillspayBills Mandanda Running E-Pen Full Member

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    Just some quotes from Diaz.

    Honestly, in that last round, I thought we were done,” said Joel Diaz, Bradley’s trainer. “I was telling his father, ‘tell him to listen. He’s not listening. He’s going to get caught! He’s going to get caught,’ and all of a sudden, he got caught…but he did it wisely. He took a knee, he took a count, he got up and he was smart, he went in there and tried to hold on. He was in control even though he was dazed.”

    After the fight, a livid Diaz was nothing but critical of Bradley calling his fighter, “stubborn and hard-headed” for foolishly not following the original game plan.

    “Somewhere in my mind I knew Bradley was going to have something [a plan] of his own,” explained Diaz. “Why? Because he was attacked by the world. He was attacked by fans, media and everything. And even though he would say, ‘yes sir, yes coach,’ I knew he was stubborn and sooner or later he would pull something of his own.”

    “At the end of the day we won,” he added. “Tim tried to give the people what they wanted to see, a fight, and they did. Honestly, he showed the heart that he had because he was hurt and he was standing right in front of him. He showed a lot of heart and will to win.”
     
  7. SkillspayBills

    SkillspayBills Mandanda Running E-Pen Full Member

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    Could well be SJ. I like that he's trying to develop things. To this day still shocked Tommy Hearns was showing him how to throw a jab properly. Bradley for all his good work is a rough diamond but maybe to late to polish him off.

    Felt the decision to wear Cleto Reyes gloves was a odd one when he's worked so well with Grant's. But in a way for what he lacked with that little bit of width on glove for defensive security he has a positive in marking Provodnikov up with them badboys :yep.
     
  8. critix

    critix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Joel won't walk out on him... Bradley is undefeated afterall
     
  9. BlackBrenny

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    If he goes through a scare like that Joel may very well think about it, how frustrating must it be to sit there and watch your fighter go life and death when he really doesn't have to, I don't even think it's anything to do with peaking in development, it just seems like Bradley is a stubborn **** who wants to do it his own way, case in point, why the **** didn't he take a knee in the last round until the very last second? he came dangerously close to getting jumped on by the referee, after all that hard work, JUST TAKE A KNEE!

    I don't think the abuse he got after the Pacquiao fight helped a lot either, he had something to prove out there
     
  10. DDDUUDDDEE

    DDDUUDDDEE Undisputed Ambien (taker) Full Member

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    Diaz is right. The fight itself was great for the fans, Tim definitely achieved his ambition of being more "fan friendly", but that was one of Bradley's worst displays since Alexander. His defense was almost non-existent at times, and when he was hurt he stood square on and traded on more than one occasion, if Ruslan was a more clinical finisher he could have had him out of there imo. Bradley could have made the fight so much easier for himself. It's his first fight back after almost a year though, so I'm willing to cut him a little slack.
     
  11. AndyPaterson

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    I don't see Bradley improving much to be honest, he may have hit his ceiling and I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't the same after that fight last week, the type of fight robs of a few extra year in the sport.

    Midway through the fight he boxed well and seemed to get his legs back under him again but he had to stand and trade at times because the pressure was relentless even though Ruslan wasn't throwing much after the 2nd round just having a fighter walking right up to you can mentally affect you.

    Plus Bradley knew he couldn't hurt Ruslan whilst Bradley was either hurt or jolted every time Ruslan landed anything solid and clean.

    Mentally he is affected by the Pacquiao "win" no question in my mind so maybe that's why he came out and went to war in attempt to get some respect, respect that he deserves in my opinion.

    For a guy that has one of the best resumes in the sport he is overlooked but there is talk of the Rios-Alvarado winner facing Bradley. If Rios wins then he will stop Bradley unless Bradley fights likes he did against Peterson and Abregu i.e. from the back foot.

    Make no mistake, if that was Rios in the ring with him last week he would have been stopped, Rios wouldn't have punched himself out like Ruslan did.
     
  12. TED 822

    TED 822 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Think theres been a lot of good sense talked about Bradley here.Mainly,the possibility of ring rust.And the fact that this was a hard fight that won't have done him any good.Andy for me hit the nail on the head in his first sentence,but don't agree about Rios.I don't see him as being tougher than Provodnikov,who I could see going toe to toe with Mattyse.Reckon Bradley would handle him.Took a lot in this one,and also proved a champions heart,but I think his next fight will show us a lot.For me,he's been underrated,and people may not like this,but could still see him beating Marquez.
     
  13. Scotty321

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    2013 - Provodnikov
    2012 - Pacquaio
    2011 - Alexander, Casamayor
    2010- Abregu

    Name the impressive performances?
     
  14. gashalasha7

    gashalasha7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree with the observations here, I noticed them in the Ruslan fight, he just more often than not was not doing what Diaz asked. I remember him asking Bradley to box and move and then he got into a trade off on the ropes.

    Most of the time I personally feel Diaz gives sound advice, he's passionate as well and does seem to have control of the corner. If I was him I'd be asking Bradley between now and the next fight to show him he can trust him and listen to him, otherwise I'd consider walking away. Because lets face it, he was a whisker away from defeat against Ruslan and from being badly hurt, had he have listened to the advice from Diaz, he'd have won a near shut out.
     
  15. TED 822

    TED 822 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Firstly,don't think he was exactly unimpressive against Provodnikov.As said,started the fight wrong and got caught,and probably paid for it the rest of the fight.Showed his chin and later on his experience.Afraid to say,Amir Khan would have been out of there.Casamayor not entirely shot,IMO a near great fighter.How long since his win over Katsidis?Alexander I think was unbeaten,coming off wins overUrango{first to stop him?}and Kotelnik{underrated}.Pac rated an all time great.Didnt see Abregu.
    Mention these to show what he was up against,don't think I mentioned the word performance.First time I saw him he beat Junior Witter.Now that WAS a performance.If he was British the fans here would love him.