Joey Archer "protected" but by who and why?

Lol, talk about reaching. You found the most complimentary article you could which had the fight a draw mentions Zach Clayton robbing Tiger of a knockdown which would have swung the fight in his favor and surprise surprise, the most crooked referee of the era who robbed Tiger of his knockdown also turned in the widest score of anyone. Go talk to any fighter or promoter who operated in the 60s and 70s and they will tell you Clayton was always there for the highest bidder. But hey, don't believe me, you obviously have a dog in this fight. I don't. I don't care about Archer. Ive illustrated quite well why the guy was protected. Anyone who doesn't believe what Ive written can go back and check the sources. How he started out in New York very popular, got the TV dates he wanted got all of the gift decisions and how he was Brenner and Markson's go to guy and still whined and complained all the time to the press "Im not rated high enough by the Ring or the WBA" "Im not getting enough money" "Im not getting handed a championship" "I don't want to have to fight an eliminator." How he finally ****ed them off with his demands, his complaining, and his refusal to fight any eliminators when everyone knew his rating tenuous at best. Its all there. I didn't invent that. If you want to believe he was this beautiful master boxer be my guest but he was no better than a lot of the guys he got a W over and my guess is that if you had most people sit down and watch his fights they would say the same thing. You show them Archer getting the benefit of the doubt time and time again and they would have the same reaction I do.

 

I dont think fighting Carter was being protected and Carter KO'd Griffith in 1, Tiger was also avoided but Archer fought him. Joey had a solid set of whiskers and a classy style. He fought and beat some rugged guys

 

And was damn lucky to get the wins in all three of those fights.

Last time I checked Don Fullmer was from West Jordan, Utah, not Boston. How is that a hometown decision. I think you are mistaking this for the first Fullmer fight which was in New York and Joey once again got the benefit of the doubt after Fullmer chased him all over the ring, throwing more punches, landing more, landing harder, and doing more damage. Its out there, go watch it. You know how many times Fullmer had fought Boston prior to Archer? ONCE. Joey had also fought once in Boston. How exactly is that a hometown decision?

If you thought Archer beat Griffith you don't know how to score professional boxing. :boohoo that sound hear is me playing the violin for Joey finally having a close decision go against him in New York.

Pffft. HAHAHA. Wow, Archer dropped a geriatric 769 year old Robinson who had no business in the ring at that point. He hadn't beaten a middleweight worth two ****s since he nicked a close decision over Denny Moyer FOUR years earlier. You think he beats most MWs? today? You just killed any credibility you had.

It wasn't difficult for Archer. He had MSG behind him and that's all that mattered. He got the fights, the TV dates, the money, and the decisions whether he deserved them or not.

No he wasn't and yes he was.

 

Funny, for a guy with a solid set of whiskers the three men you just named all criticized him for essentially being a chicken **** in the ring who was more concerned with protecting his meaningless reputation of never being knocked down by running and spoiling than actually winning the fight. All three beat him and only one them got the decisions against him that they deserved. And who the **** cares about Carter anyway. That guy is so overrated. I get it, hes a muscular bald black man. Yeah yeah, he was a badass. Whatever. He fought for 5 years, was totally shot when he was sent to prison, and lost at every stage of his career. Beating Carter is not some major accomplishment. If it was then 30 percent of the guys Carter fought were great fighters because he lost 1/3 of his fights. Yeah he beat a WW version of Griffith in a semi quick stoppage in a performance that he could have never duplicated in his life. Whatever, there was nothing mystical about this era or Archer.

 

Joey was not a puncher but you say he was lucky to get the wins over Tiger and Carter, I felt he won both of them and no embarrassment to have close fights against those 2.

The Fulmer fight,Don got the benefit of the right judges and I happen to like Archers style so I thought he won both. Griffith fights were close but Griffith was MSG favorite I thought Joey won fight 1 for sure and I gave him the 2nd.

As far as dominated SRR, yes SRR was old but still competitively fighting, still nice scalp.

fighting top 10 guys in that era just can just simply not be called protected

 

You do realize that its well known both mims and benton, two carters biggest mw wins tanked those fights right? Even with Mims fighting with the cuffs on he decked the big bad carter. Whatever. Carter wasnt **** and didnt amount to ****. He had a short, inconsequential career that is only remembered today because hes a murderer outside of the ring. This all started because i said archer was protected. That got your little pink panties in a twist so i stated my case. Youve presented nothing to refute it, in fact going through my points your defense became increasingly half hearted which just illustrates that a zealot like you cant even argue the fact. If you like archer and his style of boxing so be it. Others can read what ive written and decide for themselves. Doesnt matter to me. Like i said, i dont even think about archer. There are literally at least 1000 other fighters id rather watch, discuss, read about, and research.

 

This all might have happened, but it is very odd that he was "popular and filled seats" and yet he kept ripping off the customers who paid to see action.
I mean, the New York boxing crowd at that time must have been a mediocre bunch, as they repeatedly supported the guy who constantly provided none of the action they were looking for.


Bit like today's boxing fans who made Mayweather the richest fighter in history, bringing him bigger and bigger purses the more boring he became. :good

 

dempsey1234

"you have involved the New York Boxing Commission, the ref's and judges, the Garden, Brennan and Markson, the fighters and muscular blackmen in this vast conspiracy to what end?"

And what a conspiracy? Mims tanks to Carter but fights so strongly against Archer that they supposedly have to pay off the officials to give a crooked decision. Why not just pay off Mims?

And no one mentions that Archer gets the decision over Carter in 1963, but it was Carter who fought for the title in 1964.

And Archer gets the decision over Tiger in 1964 but it was Tiger who fought for the title in 1965.

This seems an odd way to push Archer's career.

 

It is being overlooked that scoring boxing is subjective, as the AP writer noted in his article on the Archer-Carter decision--

"The big question was whether the power of Carter's hooks outweighted the greater number of jabs Archer landed."

He didn't mention that New York scored on a round system, so landing big hooks in four rounds while losing the other six to jabs means you lose the fight on rounds. Tough luck. That is the way they scored in New York back then. All the arguments that he almost knocked Archer down or out only means he wins that round. This system did benefit a clever boxer over a slugger as it lowered the scoring impact of knocking down or staggering an opponent.

 

"they repeated supported the guy who constantly provided none of the action they were looking for."

And booed the Mims decision, odd if they were just there to support Archer.

Whatever else, the Mims fight was a fun, action fight with good skill shown by both men.

I scored it 6-4 for Archer.

 

excellent points:good

 

The implication that a boxer with enough skill to hit and not be hit is unmanly reminds me of those old stone age college football "four yards and a cloud of dust" football coaches who kept saying passing the football was for sissies. They kept losing the big games until they were put out to pasture and their kind became extinct.

Tiger & Carter & Gonzalez were quoted as calling Archer chickens--t for not slugging it out with them. Well, why should a quick boxer not play to his strengths which is hitting and moving. By the way, it is interesting only Archer is scored for whining, while this whining is quoted approvingly.