Joey Maxim at heavyweight

When ranking these guys like you do, is there a point where you draw a line and only count their wins and not their losses? Some great stuff after Loughran's bad streak in late 31/early 32 that would be a shame not to put on his resume. Remarkable he came back and beat Hamas twice after getting brutally KOed by him.

 

-Well, you proposed that Loughran dusts Maxim's HW resume. I'm not sure that's the case as Maxim may have claimed the better or at least comparable scalps officially. You are only counting the losses Loughran suffered in a 2 year window, so naturally he has less, but it doesn't seem he was ever consistent above 175. During his time as a HW contender (30-34), Loughran was very busy and seemed to simply go hot/cold. His longest streak was an 11 month run that ended with a MD loss to Sekrya.

-Him or Young Jack Johnson.

 

True, he defeated a couple of heavies such as a controversial win over JJ Walcott (the Associated Press was at ringside and gave its vote to JJW), Bivins, and weak chinned Bob Satterfield but I don't believe he had a KO win as heavy. Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

I don't have the actual stats (perhaps someone else does) but Maxim had 14 more fights after his win over SRR. Ten of those were losses and, I believe, most were at LHW, not weighing more than 180 lbs. If true, then boxing at HW would likely have been even more difficult for him.

Again, my initial point being that it would have so good if we had had a JHWT belt in those days. I bet there would have been many good bouts that we could be chatting about today.

 

-He clearly beat more than a couple.

-He was not a big puncher at any weight class, not his style. He stopped Bill Peterson and Kahut at HW, and Mills at LHW. That's about it.

-Those loses came as his career was winding down, he lost the title to Moore and got a brutal thrashing in the rematch that seemed to finish him as a top fighter, bar the Patterson upset.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoZM1H1oopU[/url]

-He was a successful HW contender for the first 10 years of his career, so not sure why you are using his last few matches to theorize how he could theoretically do when he already did it. I'm not following that at all.

-Eh, and who would be in this proto-Cruiser division? Charles, Walcott, and Moore. The guys that he fought and lost to anyway. :huh

 

Huh. But Walker was ranked while still middleweight champ right?

 

Why would beating the MW Champ get Loughran a HW ranking?

 

Well, I hardly qualify as a historical expert on old time boxing as I've forgotten much of what I've read now that I'm in my irreversible dotage.

I briefly checked on what others have written and only came up with a couple of surveys on the subject such as this:


[url]http://www.esnewsreporting.com/hundred-greatest-heavyweights-of-all-time/[/url]


Two lists are shown there. Maxim does not rate in the top 100 for one, and does not rate in top 50 for Ring. Ringside Report (in a webpage that has now expired) listed him at # 72 [see: [url]http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=133422][/url] but ahead of some rather large HW's of the modern era. I even came across a writing where Bert Sugar listed Ezzard Charles ahead of Larry Holmes if that can be believed. Funny how people see all this so differently.

 

Mongoose,you say he was not a puncher.Yet he KOd Mills,who was noted for being able to take a whack.The general consensus is that the heat beat Robinson,yet I note when watching that fight that Maxim landed some meaty shots.The very fact that he was even competitive with Patterson at the time they fought taells us he was a helluva fighter.But he was a bit before my time.Apart from Archie Moore,my favourite LHW who could beat heavies was Harold Johnson.

 

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Loughran is supposed to have been the more talented fighter and likely was but Maxim , I believe, fought superior opposition ... he was a clear step below Moore and Chales but was a very gamey veteran and tough as nails ... tremendous chin ... the shots he took from Archie Moore were monstrous
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-Maxim only recorded 20 stoppages in a 100+ fight career. He was very defensive minded and won fights behind his rapid fire jab.

-Mills was tough but at the end of a long brutal career, he had been stoppped 6 times prior to Maxim, including a recent KO loss to Woodkock. Maxim was his final fight. I wouldn't read much into it.

-Looking past the infamous conditions they were fighting in, Maxim's punches were no doubt more hurty on a smaller MW then the LHWs and HWs he normally mixed it up with.

-It was a Golden Age of LHWs to be sure.

 

Durable guy with a good jab, and stamina. He can keep it close vs. more talented guys his size, especially if they aren't in top shape.

I have his fight with Moore. He's over matched. I do not think Maxim would be the #1 Light Heavyweight or Cruiser Weight champion today.

 

Eh, any rate. It seems Bivins and Maxim were the first fighters to simultaneously appear in the RING's HW and LHW rankings. Moore would follow. No doubt P4P pioneers.

 

-Nah, Adonis Stevenson is a smaller poor man's Walcott. Maxim could take the RING title from him.

-The Cruiser division is open season, Huck or Hernadez would be interesting but I would favor Maxim in both match ups.