Jofre of the Saldivar fight versus the young Argello of the same time

I think Arguello learned from the Marcel fight and was improved by the time he fought Olivares and Kobayashi. He was still just raw potential at the time he fought Marcel. Even so, he still was good enough to blast out Legra, and he gave Marcel absolute hell and came close to stopping him a few times. Marcel had to pull out all the stops just to eek that one out. I'm not sure if Jofre was as good as someone like Marcel at that stage of his career, or still had as many "stops" to pull out. I think there's a good chance Arguello is simply too big, young, and strong for Jofre at this point.

 

Largely agreed mate, although I think Jofre would've/could've edged Olivares.

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I agree with the point about Harada/Olivares, though I'd struggle to pick a winner. If Harada could withstand Olivares' assault and prevent him from gaining rhythm or leverage then he'd stand a good chance. And I don't think that Olivares would've taken your old man out so easily on any other night from what you stated. Even if he would have still won.

Arguello's size and his strength in the championship rounds would be a big factor, undoubtedly. It's eminently plausible that Arguello may have been too much for Jofre at that stage of Jofre's career. There are a lots of 'if's' and intangibles involved. As I said earlier, Jofre seemed to be reinvigorated by the move up in weight and had the skillset to match Arguello even if Alexis struggled more with swift movers as opposed to boxer-punchers. Their styles would've meshed quite well IMO; both had assets that could trouble the other.

You make several good points though, as always.

 

thanks Al sounds like a real good fight aswell.

Just a bad night for your Dad though.

 

First time you've spoke of the ring thing on here isn't it? I remember we were talking about it.

Thanks for the story there as well.

 

I actually like Olivares footspeed/mobillity better than Jofre's (at least and aging Jofre). It served him well against Arguello. I think this is where an aging Jofre falls short against Arguello. Marcel's tremendous mobillity is what gave Arguello problems (in addition to inexperience).

 

p.s. guess I didn't make a pick. I'd take Arguello by decision or possibly late stoppage against the "Saldivar" version of Jofre. Too big and not enough mobillity from Jofre.....Since it's been discussed in this thread (Harada - Olivares), I'll add my two cents. I recently watched the Harada - Jofre series. The trouble Jofre had was that Harada always knew where to find him and Jofre did not exact a heavy enough toll on the onrushing Harada. I believe that Olivare's superior and underrated footwork/footspeed would cause Harada major problems. Olivares would run an onrushing Harada into that devastating left hook. Harada would either a) keep coming and get hammere and stopped eventually b) keep coming and in a heroic effort withstand the punishment and outfight Olivares and possibly break him down on the inside c) or try to pick his spots and box more and get outpointed by Olivares. I say C is the most likely scenario.

 

al, great thread, and great insights as always :good

 

good post

i see option C. I just think Olivares as you say footsdpeed is too fast for Harada but dont get me wrong its competitive just Olivares gets it on a UD.

Harada or Jofre have the best chance of beating Olivares at Bantam but i favour Ruben over both