Jofre vs Olivares

I thought he had a bit of success with Olivares in the first....tried his usual hard working game against a guy he couldn't hurt who hit harder than anyone he'd ever faced and get stopped (first time he'd ever been down and only time he'd ever been stopped)

Any of this ring true? What I've got from reports.

You're lucky to have seen that one :good

 

Prime:

Olivares - Rose.

Anything pre-title:
Ushiwakamaru Harada, Takao Sakurai, Tiny Palacio,

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Jofre - Medel.

Anything pre-Harada:
Highlights only - Jamito, Casas, Caraballo etc.

 

Z-Machine would have crushed them both!

Panama Al would have outboxed them both!

:stir

 

Seconded .:good

 

I'm a big fan of both, but Jofre takes this. Olivares was so inconsistent that it's hard to say exactly which version you were going to see, so these are always tough.

I see it panning out sort of like what I saw in Herrera-Olivares, with Ruben backing up and away from those long, lance-like punches of Jofre to no avail.

Jofre by KO around the tenth.

 

For sure Alan gave his all while the fight lasted, but it was obvious right of that he was not in the same class with Ruben. Like you say "tried his usual hard working game against a guy he couldn't hurt who hit harder than anyone he'd ever faced" Alan just couldn't hurt Ruben with anything he throw at him.

 

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Thanks for the insight. A horrible matchup for Rudkin, but a shame it isn't available as it was arguably Olivares' most impressive feat at 118 (Rudkin was nails, Rose had a reputation as being a bit shaky and was struggling at the weight) and sounds destructive.

 

That's more or less how me dad saw it. He told me that he got hurt badly midway through the first round, the first time he been hurt like that in the ring. It worked against him as he tried to get out of range, get his faculties back. In hindsight he should of moved in and grabbed and held on till his head cleared. The problem with moving away was that Ruben was right on top of him, dad said he was a master of range. He said he remembered thinking to himself that he was gonna have to have a fight with this fella and that's what he did, took the fight to him. He said he landed some great shots but couldn't keep him off in that type of fight. He came out for the second and took the fight to him again and next thing he was on the floor. He got up and pitched in again but had no chance. All the momentum was with Ruben and he was down again though just after landing a good shot of his own. Dad said that he didn't really feel the shots he just heard them, it was like "BOOM" every time. The referee John Thomas called a halt as dad was in the act of rising. Like all fighters he thought he could of gone on but in hindsight he said maybe Thomas did him a favour, he could of ended up badly hurt. The Boxing News quoted Olivares as saying he would need 6 weeks off after the savage effort he'd put on.

 

Forgot to mention, they tried to make a return for September/October 1970. The feeling was that even though Ruben had stopped dad over there it might be a different fight in London. The other thing was that South Londoner Johnny Clark was in the mix for a title shot at Olivares. Micky Duff was in the ring straight after me dad and Ruben's fight trying to make a Clark-Olivares fight. Me dad bought a spanner in the works for that one by stopping Clark in April 1970. He took a pasting in that one as well( no knockdowns) for the first 5 rounds but came back to grind Clark down. His corner wouldn't let him out for the twelfth.

 

:deal..10 at the most...he might have even taken the great RO out of there by 8...Olivares was great, but Jofre was greater.

 

Two quality posts there Alan. Cheers.

And I'm uploading a fight from the Olivares-Rudkin undercard to youtube as we speak....and the main event isn't available atsch

 

What are your recollections of this bout Mr. Baltazar? :good

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9uLrZrPSrg[/ame]

 

Nice upload, i've only seen 2 rounds of this before. If this is about surely the main event is.

 

Good post.

I don't necessarily disagree but with fighters so evenly matched I can easily envision the opposite scenario.

Olivares was faster with his feet and his hands than Jofre.
Jofre was a slow-starter, Olivares started much faster and could try to repeat what Harada did to Jofre.

Constant pressure, in-and-out movement and much harder punches.

It would be very hard for Jofre who wasn't very dynamic to counter the quicker Olivares.

Even though Jofre was never stopped and was tougher than Olivares he can be drawn into a slugfest and can be hurt too.

And even if Jofre backs up Olivares in the latter rounds and hurts him would that be enough?
And it's not like Olivares was totally inept fighting off the back foot either.

Jofre loses a close 8-7 decision?

 

I can envision that as well. At this level, anything can happen.