johannson vs ali......

Give me a break!! :rofl and its an exhibition!he is dancing around but i dont se him hitting him with ANYTHING!
And why should he have fought a no-name like clay was at that time when ge was fighting for the championship with Floyd,
Every fighter wants a shot at the top but you have to earn it first.

 

It's s sparring session.
And you're right, he wasn't really hitting him with much, but he certainly could if it wasnt a sparring session

 

Still the video doesnt show it no matter how bad you want it to

 

as intresting as it is its about 30 seconds of nothing. freindly sparring. both staying out of range.

 

That's the whole point... Their chins were PROVEN... Johannson's wasn't... He fought one man who even had a seblence of a punch and was KO'd early on two occasions by him... What evidence is their to support otherwise?

I was responding to this earlier statement that you made below. And in either case, some of those examples you used hold no relevance.. Shavers lasted all but one round against Quarry, leaving him virtually no chance to land anything.. Am I now to believe that Patterson's punching ability rivaled Shaver's due to this comparison? Norton Pounded Quarry to a pulp... Patterson decked him, but could not finish him... Lyle could crack, but was too inexperienced to land flush on Quarry....

You were implying that this was a one time performance in which Patterson displayed great power, and it just so happened to fall on the two evenings that Ingo was KO'd... It sure looked like you were trying to build a case for Ingo having a better chin than he did...

 

It also shows that Ali got ducked by Johannson.

 

Care to explain why you think he was? My guess is that you're going to use the isolated incident in which he briefly decked a very complacent, 18 fight Clay, Right? is that you're one argument? Because if it is, then you should also consider that Holmes was decked by Renaldo Snipes and when he was in the peak of his championship prime.. Does this automatically make Snipes a world class hitter to? Cooper left boxing with a 49% KO ratio which was largely comprised of Euro fighters who weighed less than 200 lbs, most of whom were not known for their chins... Does this mean that Cooper couldn't crack? No, but he wasn't world class in that department either..

 

Pretty much. Henry wasn't a top flight puncher, period.

But the shot he hit Clay with was a PEACH. Same with the shot the Snipes got Holmes with. People don't realize that power isn't the be all end all with punches and damage, sometimes.

A featherfisted puncher could knock out the hardest man on Earth with the right shot.

 

No no no... you got me wrong! Im the first to admit that Johansson had trouble to take a punch,im just saying that Floyd was at the shape of his life that second fight,he couldnt lose and just shook Ingos punches off.

 

Why was he ducked?? The serious question here is why do you think Clay deserved a fight at that time?
I can ask Adamek for a fight right now and if he says no i can say he ducked me,right?
And whats up with this "JohaNNson"...

 

Cooper was by no means an ATG but you don’t have to be to be an ATG to be a world class hitter. Cooper knocked out more than enough world class fighters who were rated in ring magazine. That’s a world class puncher in my book. Coopers knockouts that were filmed were devastating and considered among some of the greatest KO's. They were not isolated incidents. Ko percentages includes TKO's and padded records, it is for kids playing top trumps. when you get a good one on the kisser you hope it’s not off a guy who puts people to sleep with real genuine count-outs.
Now, you can knock the guys cooper knocked out but a KO punch is a KO punch. Rated Joe erskine was knocked up into the air and nearly broke his back on a rope. Brian london, jack Bodel, dick richardson, hubert hilton were all rated and iced by enerys hammer. What rated fighters did snipes ever KO with one punch?

 

Doesn't matter. he challenged him directly. Certainly having Ali on his resume would've helped, Since Johannson has a paticuarly weak resume.

And the Adamek comparison doesnt hold any water, because Ali at least was a name by then

 

I'll accept your assertion that the man could "crack", but he wasn't a world class puncher.. World class punchers have proven their track record against guys who have an established history of taking it, and while KO percentages don't tell the whole story, they're not meaningless either... The guys you listed were not durable by any means... I mean Joe Erskine, Jack Bodell? Seriously? I think there are few who would give him the nod based on these examples... And no, Snipes never KO'd a world class fighter with one punch, but then I'm not trying to make a case for him being a world class hitter either....

 

Just because a champion denies a fighter a shot, does not necessarily constitute a pure ducking... Wladimir Klitschko can walk into any gym in the world right now and have half a dozen men approaching him, asking for a shot.. Doesn't mean that he should give it to them.. Now, I realize that Ali had some value at the time, as he was a gold medalist and an unbeaten prospect, but he had only a handful of fights and the money wasn't there. In fact, until he beat Liston, he was viewed by many as a scrawny loud mouth who was arguably gifted against Doug Jones and floored by Henry Cooper.... Its fine to say that Johansson refused to fight him, but the word "duck" is often used a tad too loosely around here.

 

So, if I challenge Wlad right now and he doesn´t fight me then I can claim that he ducked me?

Okay then, here we go:
Wlad do you hear me, I challenge you! I want to fight you!

I hope he doesn´t read here though.