John Fury criticises Tyson and his team

Right. To be clear, I have zero issues with Hearn's behavior here. I don't know what he told the Saudis, but rather than wait around he decided to be proactive in case things worked out. They didn't work out, but hopefully the groundwork is laid to set up AJ/Fury later this year or more likely, early 2022. Hearn just can't say he was "betrayed" or whatever other nonsense. He had no reason to trust anything Arum or Fury said. Arbitration panels are not always predictable, and the Covid piece of things was unprecedented in modern times.

 

Then the people outside this deal who believe they were harmed should sue Tyson Fury and try to recoup all the money he cost them.

Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury signed a contract to fight. If there were any disagreements involving the contract that the two sides couldn't come to an agreement on, they all agreed to allow an arbitrator make a ruling and they would do as the arbitrator said. They had a disagreement. The arbitrator ruled, and both sides are following the arbitrator's decision.

Pretty basic stuff.

It wasn't the arbitrator's job to rule on anything other than the deal between Fury and Wilder. Eddie Hearn and the Saudi sheik aren't on the contract.

 

Well done John!

He has influence on his sons. Remember after Wallin when he took a swing at Davison, not long after Ben was gone.

Bet:
In the next 1-2 months Luke is gonna leave Arum and Warren and signs with Hearn.

I am pretty sure Eddie would love it to take Luke somehow out of his contract with Top Rank and Arum.

I am not an expert in contracts etc., is someone here who has knowledge about these kinds of contracts?

If so, has Fury an option to get out before he has done 5 fights under Arum?

 

that may very well happen. if team fury made any type of commitment, even verbal, they got a case. just depends on how long they want to go to court and how solid the proof of commitment was. make no mistake, there were injured parties in all of this.

 

Right. This arbitrator was part of the contract for the Wilder-Fury fights. He is just there to make sure both sides follow the contract they signed. That's all. And that's what he did.

 

Only know whats been mentioned by Hearn

I happen to believe him

Although im sure many wont

 

This. Fury and his team could’ve properly resolved everything with Wilder last year by either making Wilder a reasonable offer to fight last year or offered him a reasonable step aside fee.

If Fury’s side did either of these things and Wilder still refused or didn’t make a reasonable counter offer Fury wouldn’t have lost in arbitration.

 

But Fury fanboys said Hearn way lying lol

 

You're right about the reasonable offer to fight. Wilder never had accept or to take a step-aside fee.

In the contract, the person who lost the fight in February 2020 could activate a rematch clause. And the winner was contractually obligated to give him the rematch. Wilder activated the rematch clause days after the loss. And both sides began working toward the third fight.

If Fury's side said let's take a pay cut during Covid, forget a crowd, and let's get this third fight over with, and Wilder's side said no, the arbitrator likely would've ruled in Fury's favor. But both sides and the networks with rights to televise the third fight all agreed to keep pushing it back so they could make the most money they could out off of it.

Wilder was never required to take a step aside fee, even if one was offered.

And, according to Warren (for what it's worth), Wilder never asked for one, despite Fury going on about Wilder wanting $20 million to step aside (more nonsense).

The deal was the loser of fight 2 got the choice of activating the rematch clause.

Wilder lost. Wilder activated it.

Once he activated, the the third fight was on. And the arbitrator was always going to rule in favor of the contract.

So I have no idea why these guys spent a half a year insisting they could get out of it. It never made sense to me. And, clearly, they couldn't get out of it.

And, since Hearn isn't a novice, I don't know why he spent so much time trying to put together a fight with one guy who was already signed to fight someone else, regardless of what Fury's side told him.

Personally, I believe Hearn kept going through the motions because he was (and maybe still is) afraid Joshua will move on when their deal expires this summer. And Joshua wouldn't be happy just fighting another mandatory. So Hearn had to take a BIG SWING and tried to make the big fight, even though the odds were against it ever happening, so he could show Joshua he at least tried.

Because Arum and Warren can just tell Joshua to sign with Top Rank when his deal with Matchroom ends, and he'll get the Fury fight later in the year regardless ... and they can still make the fight and they won't have to cut in Eddie Hearn.

 

If Fury was so intent on "smashing" Joshua he could have ordered his team (that's right, ordered...ehy work for him) to renegotiate the contract immediately after the second fight, such that Wilder would get X money to step aside, then go to Hearn to get Wilder a guarantee to face the winner of Fury-Joshua. This all would have been put to rest already. We'd have an undisputed HW champ.

But NOOOOO...the ignorant fool Fury would rather lie on a chair and let women not his wife rub him with suntan oil and have Arum pull him around by the nose.

All the blame is at Furys feet.

 

Wilder already has a fight with Fury. He didn't want to step aside. And he was under no conditions to do so.

And when Wilder and Fury signed their contract, and when Wilder activated the rematch clause, there was no Joshua fight being offered. Joshua was on the hook to defend against two mandatories and Pulev was up first.

Now, in hindsight, everyone is the expert.

"Coulda Woulda Shoulda"

Long story short - if you have a deal to fight someone, fight them (Fury).

And if someone has a deal in place to fight someone else, don't spend six months putting another fight together for that person and assume they'll just get out of that other contract somehow. (Hearn)

Neither Fury nor Joshua's side came out of this looking good

 

yes. the old "no reasonable person should believe the lies im telling, your honor. they were just my opinion" defense. seems to be en vogue.

 

What if the Saudis feel burned and that deal is now gone?

 

Do you think they chose to take 6 months or just maybe finding someone who was ready to put the money up wasn't easy during a pandemic.

 

Hearns and Arum both are wily experienced and successful business folk, who are making deals involving mega money on regular basis, yet we are led to believe this mega money fight that supposedly the contracts were signed for collapses because verbal assurances re the Wilder arbitration were proved incorrect.

I cannot see that Hearns and Arum made their fortunes doing business in that manner, their legal teams would have had contracts between them that had been gone over in microscopic detail by each team, word of mouth assurances, oh yeah we believe that....NOT.