"John, I thought this fellow could hit?"

Without deteriorations due to age and inactivity I think a prime Jeffries would’ve only stood to have lasted longer than he did - all else more or less remaining the same as it was in 1910.

Even Bob Fitz and Corbett beat the hell out of Jim before they can began to fail within themselves - and essentially, Jeffries only stepped it up after they began to flag.

Jeffries would always fall to the punishment Johnson could and would mere out, well before Johnson himself tired from hitting him.

As it was, Johnson also carried Jeff, if he let it all hang out he might’ve had Jim out anytime after round 4. And just as I see it, Jeffries would always be a sitting duck for the uppercut, Johnson’s primary and most damaging weapon of choice.

 

Expand away sir

 

Reading Black Man v The World by Pollack. Recommend it so far if anyone wants more Johnson info and is interested in that time period.

It's what u can expect from that era for sure in regard to the anti blackness/drawing the color line. I mean I like history so I appreciate Pollack for giving context to the time which I think he does well.

 

The Luddite movement allegedly originated in Anstey, which is three miles from where I live, so there is a local history interest angle here.

They say that the winners write teh history books, and this seems to be no exception.

The Luddites were a much more complex organization than most people think, and they were arguably the forerunners of the modern trade union movement.

They did smash mill machines, but mill owners who paid good wages, were generally left alone.

A mill owner could negotiate with them up to a point.

They also had a strict code of conduct.

For example a Luddite who stole something while he was smashing up a mill, faced harsh punishments form his comrades.

The Luddite movement was allegedly founded by a man named Ned Ludlam.

He has been interpreted as the mastermind organizing the movement, and a Robin Hood style folk hero who never existed.

There are also accounts that say that he was the village idiot, and that he broke a mill machine in a fit of anger, and that the movement took up his name ironically.

 

Good stuff. I think Stephen King named a city Lud in one of the Dark Tower books as a reference to the Luddites if I'm not mistaken.

 

Good point

 

Fitz said Johnson could have finished Jeff whenever he wanted.

 

I don't think anyone is under any illusion that 1910 Jeffries was prime.
Having said that I think Johnson beats any version of Jeff,Jeffries was down to 235lbs 9 months before the fight,he could have taken tune ups and sparred more with younger men ,but he was making an absolute fortune on the stage,his choice.