John L Sullivan still holds the fastest knockout in a heavyweight title fight!

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  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Most people belive Jim Jeffries 55 second destruction of Jack Finnegan to be the fastest knockout ever atained in a fight for the lineal heavyweight title. After the Finnegan knockout, the Detroit Tribune wrote the following:

    "Many consider Jeffs 55 second knockout over Finnegan the fastest heavyweight championship win, but in 1884, John L Sullivan knocked out Sylvester Le Gouriff in 20 seconds, and had several other knockouts faster than one minute".

    It is hard to bew sure whether the title was actualy on the line during these bouts, but it is interesting to say the least.
     
  2. DonBoxer

    DonBoxer The Lion! Full Member

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    I had always thought that there was no title on the line in the Le Gouriff fight.
     
  3. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    It is hard to be sure. Back then fights were often billed as exhibitions to avoid legal complications.

    It is at at least possible that the title was on the line.
     
  4. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I think it is almost a certainty that had sullivan been knocked out he'd have lost his championship.

    Fight to the finish can be explained away as being an Exhibition match.
     
  5. amhlilhaus

    amhlilhaus Well-Known Member Full Member

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    yes, anytime the champion fought back then it was a title fight, as the winner would have been hailed champion.
     
  6. mcvey

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    The Le Gouriff fight was in 1894 ,Sullivan did not become recognised as Queensbury Champion until 1895.
     
  7. lufcrazy

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    That's my understanding, each of his fights would have unofficially been fight to the finish and had he been knocked out then the winner would hold a legitimate claim to being the champion
     
  8. janitor

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    Sullivan was widley recognised as the queensbury champion after he defeated Joe Goss in 1881 and after his fight with Charlie Mitchell, I don't think that many people would have disputed his claim.
     
  9. mcvey

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    Had a dig around .the Goss fights may have been exhibitions ,but you are right ,and I am wrong, Sullivan was recognised as the gloved champ from 1881.:good
     
  10. janitor

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    It seems that Le Gouriff was trying to last four rounds with Sullivan to win the $1000 that Sullivan had offered to anybody who could do so. Here is what Thomas Hauser writes about the encounter:

    In Oregon, on February 1, 1884, Sullivan faced a challenger named Sylvester Le Gouriff; a giant of a man who weighed more than three hundred pounds. Before the bout, Sullivan surveyed his foe and proclaimed, “The bigger he is, the harder he’ll fall.” Twenty seconds after the bell for round one rang, Le Gouriff was unconscious. “I break wood and fences with my fists,” he told Sullivan afterward. “You break stone.”
     
  11. lufcrazy

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    Is it just me or is the story of sullivan the most amazing in boxing, his achievements are so hidden, I mean he's already number 13 on my list but the more I read the higher he goes.
     
  12. mcvey

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    I like the verified story of him being drunk on a train, going outside the carriage for a **** ,and falling off the train , being left stranded .:lol:
     
  13. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Yes.

    It appears inescapable that this actualy took place!
     
  14. mcvey

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    Imagine waking up in a field with a hangover , not knowing where you are ,your dick hanging out of your flies, **** down your leg.Even worse if it was night time.:lol: