John L. Sullivan vs Deontay Wilder.

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  1. CroBox29

    CroBox29 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Did Sullivan have a good enough skillset to win a few rounds against Wilder or would he have no chance?
     
  2. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Impossible to say.

    Sullivan might have looked like Tom Sharkey, or he might have looked like a bigger version of Vasilly Lomachenko.

    We just don't know.
     
  3. Stiches Yarn

    Stiches Yarn Active Member Full Member

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    Really no idea. Maybe Sullivan , who once fought for 70 rounds, might take it......If Wilder doesn't kill him early.
     
  4. Greb5000

    Greb5000 New Member Full Member

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    Sullivan shatters the glassware
     
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  5. janitor

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    The only things that we know about Sullivan, are roughly how big he was, that he fought out of a crouch, and that his key strengths were power, hand speed, and finishing ability.

    Obviously there is room to interpret him as being somebody who could beat Wilder, and there is room to interpret him as being somebody who would not.
     
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  6. Finkel

    Finkel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He also developed an impressive set of whiskers
     
  7. KidDynamite

    KidDynamite Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Nobody can say much

    Wilder should win ... He's a century ahead in progression ... Supposedly
     
  8. HDmexiqtioner

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    I believe Wilder would win, just a large progression of boxing in general and conditioning over 100 years. Probably a knockout, early. I don't know if Sullivan would outgrit Wilder, I mean 75 rounds? Nothing to scoff at. But Wilder standing at 6'7" against 5'10" Sullivan is interesting, especially since they were built so differently as well.

    But, yeah. Wilder via earlier KO. And Sullivan would HATE it cause of the fact that a Black Man would probably knocking him out would really rile him up. Which makes me laugh. haha.
     
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  9. Finkel

    Finkel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's the comedy sketch that writes itself:

    5'10" John L. Sullivan walks into a bar: "I can lick any sonafabitch in the house!"
    6'7" Deontay Wilder stands up
     
  10. JohnThomas1

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    I'm going to really go out on a limb and say he certainly isn't going to look like a bigger version of Lomachenko.
     
  11. janitor

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    One contemporary writer described him as being "as clever as any man."

    I am inviting you to at least consider that there might have been a bit of method in his madness.
     
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  12. JohnThomas1

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    Totally willing to accept that much but that's well short of what i quoted of course.
     
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  13. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Sullivan.
    Wilder has the worst skillset of any HWC that I can remember. Just terrible. I'm betting Sullivans toughness and own power take the day.
     
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  14. Greb5000

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    Fans of john sullivan and old time boxing greats may want at sometime time scan the Facebook page of Michael Hunnicutt Facebook of Branford Connecticut , as he has posted dozens of newspaper articles of old time boxing greats from battling Nelson, jim Jeffries, jim corbett, william muldoon to max Baer and joe louis on their picks of the greatest ever . most not seen in decades
     
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  15. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Heavyweights being smaller than other Heavyweights doesn't have the effect on my opinions that it seems to have on many opinions here...and I'm a pretty big guy, myself. (I'm not implying that those opinions are right or wrong, just different takes on the same facts.) All we know about Sullivan are written reports from contemporaries and the part of his record that still exists today. In fairness to Deontay, he's still active and his legacy is not yet set in stone. At present, comparing apples to apples, Sullivan's record, and what was written about him in his time, compared to the same with Wilder, I'd have to go with Sullivan right now.
     
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