John L. Sullivan vs Gene Tunney

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I guess Dempsey could be in John L’s corner while Corbett can second Tunney for this match made in Heaven.

Brains vs Brawn squared.

Of course Dave Barry is the perfect choice for ref.

Gene the dancing machine is winning this going away but due to his increasing complacency, he gets caught napping and put down by a HUGE John L round house right in rd 14.

Growling Sullivan just won’t back off, he’s executed the ground, now he wants to pound - Barry refuses to start a count until Sullivan recedes. Time keeper Joe Walcott (the non original) has lost his stop watch anyway and has no clue what to do next.

Finally John L goes to a neutral corner after 10 minutes have passed. The Mauler screams at John L that he should’ve known better.

Barry starts the count, Genes up by 8, dances out of harms for the balance of the rd and then easily wins the final rd and the fight.

Gene maintains that he was always fully cognizant, he was simply waiting and watching for Barry to start the count.

Many in attendance aren’t so sure since they swear Gene’s eyes were glued shut for the first 9 mins and 58 seconds he was on the canvas.

Dempsey announces his challenge for a rubber match v Gene. Likewise, Corbett tells John L he’s more than happy to kick his ass again. Both matches are tentatively scratched in.

 

"I'm not getting fat! I'm bulking up to superheavyweight."

 

Tunney, he would be taking John L places in the ring he never knew existed.

 

Sullivan was 51 years old in that clip.

 

Tunney does everything better than Corbett, so Sullivan is going to lose bad. And there isn't even a "styles make fights" sort of thing going on either, as Tunney style was sort of the far advanced level of what Corbett was trying decades earlier.

 

Corbett beat a corpse of Sullivan though.

 

Corbett was a better athlete than Tunney was and was even harder to hit. As an old man he sparred with Tunney and impressed him. I think Tunney badly outclasses Sullivan.

 

Corbett was not as good as Tunney imo, he did not have his power, or his chin.

 

i doubt Sullivan would lay a glove on Tunney and would be punched to a standstill by the mid rounds

 

No, but he was a better mover / athlete.

 

Moving is fine but landing clean punches is required to win fights, and Tunney engaged a lot more than Corbett.

 

If we're talking M of Q rules it's a joke. Tunney was one of the best boxers of the first half of the 20th Century while Sullivan was essentially an amateur to that sport. I understand technically John fought often too a degree with gloves for a myriad if reasons but he was never trained as a M of Q fighter, rather relying on his physical gifts .. It's really an amateur vs a top pro ..

 

In what sense do you mean he wasn't trained as a M of Q fighter?

He certainly lived in an era where the technique assumed LPR bareknuckle rules, but he was fighting and sparring regularly with gloves. So I guess it depends on your you're defining a guy being untrained under MoQ.

 

Sullivan was never trained by anyone to box. His own words. He never sparred. Ever. He wrestled. He fought with gloves based on rules and protection for hands but was never trained as a boxer. His famous, documented camp w Muldoon was all about conditioning and abstinence.