John L Sullivan Vs John Ruiz

The Sullivan Corbett fight is an irrelevance.

Sullivan was an empty shell at this point, and it was just a question of which of the top contenders got to him first!

 

Ask Mcvey....he's old enough to have seen Sullivan fight.

 

Top 50 what based on what criteria. Seriously, who did Kilrain beat?

This is a head to head match not a resume contest. Do you think little Charlie Mitchell would last more than a few rounds with the likes of Holyfield or Golota?

 

Do you feel that these decisions were all fair and accurate?

 

Go for it.

 

That's actually a fair point. I felt Golota beat him.

Still, Ruiz was competitive enough for the judges to cook the books.

 

hehe

 

knock yourself out?

 

Thanks Janitor.

To be fair to that guy, the track he ran on did look quite a bit softer than Jessie Owens olympic track. And dont forget he was hardly in the same peak condition that jessie owens was. Still, it was very interesting and telling. he didnt lose, he lost by half a second or more!

 

QUOTE="FrankinDallas, post: 19037849, member: 320"]Ask Mcvey....he's old enough to have seen Sullivan fight..QUOTE


I remember him well.Always shaved his moustache off for a fight,did you know that?

 

Well there goes my mustache theory of boxing excellence.

 

Sullivan was 32. Perhaps the early rounds were somewhat relevant, to quote Corbett, Sullivan came out of his corner like a roaring lion."

From the beginning of the round Sullivan was aggressive-wanted to eat me up right away. He came straight for me and I backed and backed, finally into a corner. While I was there I observed him setting himself for a right-hand swing, first slapping himself on the thigh with his left hand-sort of a trick to balance himself for a terrific swing with his right. But before he let the blow go, just at the right instant, I sidestepped out of the corner and was back in the middle of the ring again, Sullivan hot after me.

I allowed him to back me into all four corners, and he thought he was engineering all this, that it was his own work that was cornering me. But I had learned what I wanted to know - just where to put my head to escape his blow if he should get me cornered and perhaps dazed. He had shown his hand to me.

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John L. Sullivan

In the second round he was still backing me around the ring. I hadn't even struck at him yet, and the audience on my right hissed me for running away and began to call me 'Sprinter.' Now I could see at a glance that Sullivan was not quite near enough to hit me, so suddenly I turned my side to him, waved both hands to the audience and called out, 'Wait a while! You'll see a fight.'

...So far Sullivan hadn't reached me with anything but glancing blows, and it was my intention, when the third round started, to hit him my first punch, and I felt that it must be a good one! If my first punch didn't hurt him, he was going to lose all respect for my hitting ability.

To read the entire passage:

[url]http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/corbett.htm[/url]

 

Okay, he hurt his left hand late in his career, who did he KO with his left before the injury?

Corbett who knew Sullivan well said he didn't have a good left hand.

 

The track De Grasse is on is way softer than the dirt tracks that I competed on in the 80's (yes, there were still some around). Also, Owens ran plenty of 10.6 and 10.8's and even 11.0's in competition. He only ran a 10.3 when Ralph Metcalfe and 6 other world class guys were chasing him and tens of thousands of folks were cheering. And lastly, we don't know the timer's abilities or experience. Hand timing is not consistent or entirely reliable, especially in the hands of a novice. In so far as Owen's 10.4, the general conversion between hand and automatic timin is .24, so Owens' 10.3 is comparable to a modern 10.54 FAT, an elite high school time.

I have no doubt that Owens was a generational talent. His long jump record stood for TWENTY FIVE years. De Grasse is not that sort of talent relative to his era but probably a good facsimile of Owens head to head ability wise. I would say Calvin Smith is another who compares.