John L Sullivan vs Prime David Tua

There would basically have been two options for Tua if he wanted to fight them.

The first would be an illegal bare knuckle prize fight, which would almost certainly result in some sort of criminal charges against both men.

If he takes this option, then it is highly unlikely that he scores a quick knockout.

All that Mitchell or Greenfield has to do if it gets hot in the kitchen, is go down on one knee, then they get 30-38 seconds respite.

The second option would be a gloved fight, billed as an exhibition for legal reasons, which might be anything from three to ten rounds depending on the jurisdiction.

Obviously in a four round fight, the chances of a small defensive fighter surviving Tua, are much greater than they would be in a twelve round fight.

 

The Cardiff fight.You can't attack his performance in this bout. Got to give him credit for lasting out the 6 rds.
[url]John L Sullivan[/url] 229 lbs drew with [url]Patsy Cardiff[/url] 185 lbs by PTS in round 6 of 6 Date: 1887-01-18

• Location: Washington Roller Rink, Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA
• Referee: [url]Pat Sullivan[/url]

Cardiff, twenty-four years old, based in Minneapolis, Minnesota, was an experienced fighter who had previously met both [url]George Rooke[/url] and [url]Charley Mitchell[/url] in the ring. He stood the same height as Sullivan, the world's champion, but weighed thirty pounds less.

The bout took place at the Washington Rink in Minneapolis before ten thousand onlookers. Sullivan broke his left arm in the first round after missing a punch at the elusive Cardiff. Forced to use only his right for the remainder of the fight, he could not catch up with the smaller man and the fight was declared a draw after the end of the scheduled six rounds.

 

It would be a little weird if every surviving boxing manual from this period uniformly taught a hands-down, fist-fencing-and-grappling style, but Sullivan and his opponents actually all fought like Mayweather.

 

No, just acknowledge that you don't know what his record was, but that he was regarded as being the best fighter in Europe, and the man most likely to give Sullivan a stiff test.

 

Joe Gans.

 

The events of eh McCaffrey fight are not entirely clear.

Sullivan's weight ranged from 196 to 240lbs while he was active.

 

You are invoking LPR rules.No canvas and dropping to the floor without being hit allowed.
Plenty of BK fights on You Tube ,and plenty of kos in the 5, 2 minute rds they are usually scheduled for.
When Tua connects with his bare-knuckled hook on Mitchell's face it would be Sayonara for little Charlie.Ever had a BK fight? You get marked up pretty quick when you are facing someone around your own size.
Mitchell would be conceding over 70 pounds to Tua! Imagine the effect of his punch on a chubby welterweight?

 

I've been more than fair here but you as always resort to your old ruse."Their records are incomplete ,we don't know how many fights he had" etc I've credited him with an additional 6 victories which is 2 more than his known 4-6-1 record says he managed!

He may have had another 11 fights to go with the 11 known ones, and very well may have had the same results, which would give him a resume of 8-12-2 How does that sound?

[url]TOO MUCH FOR SULLIVAN; DOMINICK M'CAFFREY FIGHTS THROUGH SIX ROUNDS. A SURPRISING DECISION IN FAVOR OF THE BOSTON SLUGGER, AFTER A TAME AND BLOODLESS FIGHT. - The New York Times (nytimes.com)[/url] They seem pretty clear to me.

 

This is based on his tanked fight against McGovern which you have seen how much of?
While we are debating, would you like to revisit the thread about Johansson's long count against Snoek? I asked you two simple questions on it, perhaps you would be kind enough to reply to them?

 

For whatever reason, it never happened back in the day.

 

He might have had a hundred unrecorded fights, or he might have had none.

We just don't have any idea what his record was.

The picture becomes less clear, when you read the newspapers that actually had a reporter at ringside.

 

It's the 30 second recovery period combined with people cultivating the skill of falling down after taking light punches or in wrestling.

The ref could only DQ you for intentionally falling if it was obvious.

Sullivan was in that sense a very "honest" LPR fighter. He just wanted to beat you by knocking you to the ground until you weren't able to get up anymore. It cost him against Mitchell.

 

I'm pretty sure we have more Gans fights available than that.

 

Yes? Well how many have you seen?
Maybe Janitor will list all the Gans fights he has viewed to form the opinion that Gans resembles Mayweather when fighting?
Watch this space!

 

It is easy enough to find Gans Nelson.