John L. Sullivan vs Tom Sharkey, street fight?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by MrBumboclart, Jul 24, 2012.


  1. MrBumboclart

    MrBumboclart Active Member Full Member

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    1. 45 rounds, gloved?
    2. Street fight, no rules?

    Who ya got? Personally I see Sullivan winning the gloved fight, probably by KO. The street fight is a tough one - I've heard reports about both men being very tough dudes outside of the ring.
     
  2. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    In a gloved fight I would lean quite heavily towards Sullivan. While both were concusive punchers, Sullivan apears to have been far and away the better finisher.

    As for the street fight, it is hard to say. Both were prety useful, but there is not much by way of a frame to compare them.
     
  3. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    In Pollack's Jeffries book he recounts that in 1905, at the age of 47 and weighing 270+ pounds, John L. Sullivan KO'd Jim McCormick in the 2nd, leaving him unconscious for 5 minutes... the same McCormick that went 7 rounds with Johnson and 8 with Ruhlin and KO'd Kid McCoy in 1.

    I have the gut feeling that we are all underestimating just how good John L was and how much power he carried. He seems to be in another class than Sharkey, in any arena.
     
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  4. MrBumboclart

    MrBumboclart Active Member Full Member

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    John L sure was great, nice story!
     
  5. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The first goes to Sullivan rather easily i'm afraid. The second depends on how.drunk both men are...
     
  6. KernowWarrior

    KernowWarrior Bob Fitzsimmons much bigger brother. Full Member

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    Two tough guys locking horns, i would say gloved bout would be Sullivan win, but in streetfight Sharkey was tough as teak and in a no holds bar fight, i say Sharkey is the victor.

    The streetfight area would be a bloodbath for sure.
     
  7. mcvey

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    Young John L.

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    Getting paunchy, below.


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  8. guilalah

    guilalah Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Sullivan for the gloved fight. Got no idea who'd win the street fight.
     
  9. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Sharkey to me fought and beat much better fighters in the ring, and also has many early stoppages.

    But we are talking a street fight here where there are no rules, and that tips the odds to Sharkey who didn't mind breaking them.
     
  10. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Sharkey was stopped 4 times whilst still in his 20's , twice by one punch ko's.

    Sullivan was only stopped when he was a mere facsimile of the fighter he had been, Sullivan was a dissipated 34 years old ,with only 3 rds of ring action in the previous 5 years.


    It still took Corbett 21 rds to accomplish the feat.

    I think Sullivan also had better one punch power, than Sharkey.

    I pick John L under any circumstances.