John L v Butter Bean 4 5rds?

Butterbean was according to wikipedia 47-5 in toughman contests. His boxrec record shows that in about his 20th or so fight he was knocked out in 2 rounds by Mitchell rose. there are also several guys who took him 4 rounds. He then fought another 20 or so fights before drawing with Bill Eaton. He then fights anohter 15 or so fights before drawing again with another no name fighter. Though he did put his name on the map with a ko of Pete McNeeley, who once went a minute or so with Mike Tyson. The next name fighter he fought was Billy Zumbren who did later wobble a very ancient version of Riddick Bowe and only lost on SD. In between all of this, he was regularly taken the distance by nobody fighters.

Butter bean, i think probably owuld have fought John L Sullivan (he did fight Larry Holmes). Butterbean has zero defence (virtually), so there is no way he lasts 4 rounds. His only hope is to catch John L, but he failed to catch so many fighters. I am pretty confident that John L would do what Mitchell Rose couldnt - Knock him out in one.

Even if butterbean lands, John L has proved in the past that he can more than cop punishment. I see no chance of Butterbean lasting 4, but, if he does land a couple of clean shots and actually knock down John L, he may get the $1000 as a guesture of goodwill from John L Sullivan.

 

In their primes, Butterbean Eric Esch would fail to last 4 rounds with John L. Sullivan...in my opinion.

 

Anyone seen Esch' unlicensed bout with Scott Gammer?

Gammer beat him so badly in one round, it looked as if the Bean took 10 rounds of punishment.

 

sullivan was washed up by the time he toured australia, goddard, slavin, jackson, hell maybe even dooley or lees might have beaten him at that time.

in his prime though he'd have beaten all of them, including peter jackson

 

I'm guessing this is a different George Godfrey from the feared and ducked contender of the 1920s and 1930s?

 

:rofl Id like to see Slavin, Farnan, Goddard, Jackson and Lees for starters. Theres 5 fighters, with great calibre ability.
Slavin alone is a great case for John L. being a lesser man. Take into account, Slavin was ignored on John L's home soil. No wonder Slavins boots stunk.

 

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Sullivan KO one

 

I thought as much. Cheers. :good

 

If only one of them was born in John L's prime, heh?

Why not add Tyson, Dempsey and Lewis to the list?

 

Yes. George Godfrey of Sullivan's time was arguably the best black heavyweight in the world, but most certainly in all America. Sullivan and Godfrey attempted to fight eachother in 1881, but police intervened. In 1883 Sullivan was a referee for the Godfrey-Hadley bout for the Colored Heavyweight title. On March 14th, 1888 Sullivan actually agreed to face Godfrey with the title on the line, but Godfrey said he wasn't in condition to do so, that he would on a later date. In 1889 Sullivan was referee for the Godfrey-Lannon bout. In 1909, years following both men's retirement, they fought a series of exhibitions with eachother.

Wasn't until 1888, I must add, that Peter Jackson truly became the top black heavyweight in the world, as he defeated Godfrey by kayo in the 19th round. This, of course, was after Sullivan agreed to meet Godfrey in the ring, but Godfrey requested a later date to do so. It seems apparent, least to me, that Sullivan had a sort of civil relationship with Godfrey, else the 'Great' John L wouldnt have kept in touch with the man throughout those years.

 

You're so full of **** your eyes are brown.

He was old and past his prime when he could have fought Jackson. Get over it.

You're daft to suggest Butterbean could compare to the great John L. There always have and always will be Eric Esch's. He was primitive and any period in time will produce such people. Can you imagine how many monster barroom brawlers existed in that time of manliness and violence? Dude, John L. stood above them all like a giant. Can you imagine how good he then must have been?

I'm not sure Sullivan would have been able to procure a fight with Jackson, Peter most likely would be too busy fending off lynching from all the racist criminals that make up the Australian demographic. Cheers.

 

Amen.

 

It's common-sense really, there always have and always be "tough men" that pick and usually win fights. These men will always abound. They may be large, powerful, well-built and perhaps in good conditioning due to their sport of choice and/or profession. In the latter portion of the 19th century we KNOW there were multitudes of such men, I think most of us would agree that there were indeed more than there are today, despite the population difference. Yet John L. beat all these men brutally and just outclassed them. Even the toughest, trained in the art of fisticuffs and hardened by a lifetime of experience were felled like doomed timber by the devastating power of John L. Sullivan, which was renowned. Say what you will about his actual boxing skill, but in a fight he's among the most venerated men in history. He could brawl/fight with anyone, anyday and put up a good account of himself.