John L. Wished He Coulda Fought Jeffries

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  1. Cmoyle

    Cmoyle Active Member Full Member

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    Seattle Star - July 7, 1906

    "John L., Sober 15 Months, Talks Pugilism
    The prize ring terror is now 48 years old and weighs 175 - no joke. His hair and mustache are almost snow white, but his eyebrows are coal black.

    "You know a fellow never gets tired of putting on the gloves," he said in an interview. "I love to box just like you newspaper boys love to write. I long for the old days sometimes. Of course, I have given up the ring. But I would love to have a four-round go sometime with my old opponent, Charley Mitchell.

    "What do I think of Corbett? Oh, I have nothing against Corbett. Jeffries? Well, I wouldn't call him a wonderful fighter. He has simply not been pitted against anyone who is dangerous. He has won because he is big and powerful and had the bulge on the other fellow. But in the fight with Fitzsimmons, I thought Fitz made the best showing."

    John L. sighed..

    "Oh, I wish Jeffries and I were 25," he said. Then he cocked that left eyebrow. "There would be something doing if we were," he added.
     
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  2. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I hold Sullivan in much higher esteem than Jeffries and think he could have licked him, McVea, Jeanette and Fitzsimmons. He was truly a terror in his prime.
     
  3. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Prime for Prime, it would have been some fight I think.
     
  4. boxersk

    boxersk T.C.B. Full Member

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    I agree i think Sullivan's power would be too much, IMO Sullivan in his prime i think hits harder then some guys that Jeffries fought and if he landed enough he could stop Jeffries.
     
  5. Ren

    Ren Active Member Full Member

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    Sully would stop Jefferies, but would come unstuck against tough Brit Fitzsimmons.
     
  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I would pick Jeffries.
     
  7. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Certainly a plausible scenario.

    Around this time, Sullivan gave a hint about just what a force he had been in his prime, when he demolished Jim McCormick at the age of 47. McCormick was not a world beater, but he had managed a better showing against a prime Gus Ruhlin.

    I think that Sullivan would certainly have gone through all Jeffries title challengers.
     
  8. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    A fighter as famous as John L. was quoted many times in his day and he offered many different insights into the outcome of a bout between himself and Jeffries ... I've read where he favored himself and where he ultimately thought he'd have little luck baed on the advances in ring science between their two eras ... go figure ...
     
  9. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    The two sparred once in 1900, and Sullivan called Jeffries the fastest big man he ever saw. Never saw a fighter of the time who said Sullivan was better.

    If Sullivan thinks Jeffries was never matched with anyone dangerous, he's not being honest. Fitz, Sharkey, and Choynski were dangerous and better than anyone Sullivan beat.
     
  10. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Jack Johnson rated Jeffries highly[no2, behind Fitz ] ,he did not think much of Sullivan.

    http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=SCE0ypLQHGcC&dat=19290427&printsec=frontpage&hl=en Page 27.
     
  11. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    There were a fair few, especialy early in Jeffries title reign.

    A common criticism of Jeffries was that he was not in Sullivans class as as finisher.
     
  12. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    From what I have read, Jeffries was rarely as aggressive as John L, and did not possess his one punch ko power.
     
  13. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    In truth, Sullivan probably had no peer as a puncher until Dempsey or Langford came allong.
     
  14. guilalah

    guilalah Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Neat article, perhaps deserving of its own thread!

    Interesting Johnson puts Tunney over Dempsey.

    I wonder if personal feeling figured in placing McVey over Jeanette? They're pretty clsoe, though.

    Fitzsimmons (who Johnson certainly admired) #1 here, though I think later Johnson preferened Jeffries (as a heavyweight).
     
  15. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I can't seem to find the relevant article.