John Ruiz has better heavyweight resume than Usyk

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  1. Bigcheese

    Bigcheese Well-Known Member Full Member

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    They could, if the OP said Ruiz had better wins at heavyweight, but he said resume. Regardless of heavyweight wins I'm pretty sure most people know Usyk is 10x the fighter John Ruiz was.
     
  2. Oddone

    Oddone Bermane Stiverne's life coach. Full Member

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    Troll account.
     
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  3. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Let's look at this issue from a different perspective:

    Who would you rather see in a boxing match, John Ruiz or Usyk?

    I thought so....
     
  4. Pepsi Dioxide

    Pepsi Dioxide Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'd rather see a boxing ring with no one it for 12 rounds than live through the Ruiz reigns again minus when he was getting beat by Jones and Toney. I have a grudging respect for Ruiz but anyone who didn't live through his reign will never know the frustrations his fights brought
     
  5. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well yeah that's plainly obvious Usyk fought at Cruiserweight for most of his career, and has only fought a handful of fights at Heavyweight so far.

    You can't really compare resumes of someone who fought at Heavyweight for almost 2 decades with 55 fights, compared to someone who's only had 4 fights at Heavyweight.

    What's purpose of this thread ? I don't really get it.

    PS the Golota fight is widely considered a robbery.
     
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  6. columbo

    columbo Member Full Member

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    if we are going to compare the two, we should compare the first four fights at heavyweight for each fighter to make it fair.
     
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  7. Badbot

    Badbot I Am An Actual Pro. Full Member

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    How is that fair? Ruiz started off his career at heavyweight. Usyk moved up once he became an undisputed champion and cemented himself on everyone's P4P lists.
    There simply is no fair comparisons to be made.
     
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  8. columbo

    columbo Member Full Member

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    that's a good point.
    we won't be able to compare the two until usyk hangs up his gloves. usyk already is a unified champion. i don't think ruiz unified titles.
     
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  9. spravedlivylev

    spravedlivylev Active Member banned Full Member

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    I didn't see Ruiz becoming the unified champion of the division.

    What a silly thread.
     
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  10. ad4m88

    ad4m88 Active Member Full Member

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    Joshua Beats everyone you named at the stage Ruiz fought them Ruiz is legitimately one of the worst title holders in the heavyweight Division
     
  11. Jackman65

    Jackman65 FJB Full Member

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    This is another troll thread. Ruiz was a C grade HW, a placeholder. Usyk would carve up any version of this clown. AJ beats him on his best day. Ruiz was a nice guy but levels below Usyk.
     
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  12. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    There is no comparison. While Usyk is a top level practitioner of the Sweet Science, Ruiz is just the opposite.

    Ruiz was terrible. In fact, worse than that. Not only did he have all the ability of high grade clubfighter, but he used his connections with Don King to get title shot after undeserved title shot, and a free pass for his illegal holding tactics and other shenanigans that should have gotten him disqualified in virtually every fight against decent fighters. He "won" by breaking the RULES against excessive holding.

    Not only this, in several fights by blatantly overacting to draw bogus low blow calls to get crucial point deductions (Thunder, Holyfield II) or a bogus DQ (Johnson). His entire career against world class opposition is utterly fraudulent.

    And, then, the gift decisions, the worst of which being the Golota fight. Golota should have won that fight, it's one of the worst robberies of the period. Golota outlanded Ruiz, had him on the canvas twice and there was actually a (RARE) point deduction for one of Ruiz's illegal moves. Yet somehow "all the King's judges" gave the nod to Ruiz. Shameful. And yet another example of how a powerful promoter took a mediocre regional fighter and made him an (undeserving) beltholder

    Ruiz is exhibit A of how corruption damages boxing, elevating a talentless hack to levels his ability never merited. Without Don King, he's a regional beltholder, at best.
     
  13. Heisenberg

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    Of course Usyk's resume at heavyweight in wafer thin. Long distinguished amateur career winning everything, tore through and unified the entire cruiserweight division in double quick time. Moves up to heavyweight at the beginning of a worldwide pandemic already well into his 30's. If he retires with world titles fights/wins AJ x2, Dubois and Fury. I think he'll have done all he could in the time possible.
     
  14. fencik45

    fencik45 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The Golota fight should be in the dictionary under robbery.
     
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  15. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic For the honorable cross and the golden freedom Full Member

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    It's simple. Usyk is ATG; Ruiz didn't.
     
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