John "The Quiet Man"" Ruiz:A Hall of Famer?

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  1. prideofvbeach

    prideofvbeach Top 10 Pound-For-Pound Full Member

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    OK, it was steroids that time, but hell, the man has lost to two natural MIDDLEWEIGHTS. If he HOF material, Toney should have been able to fight bareknuckled and still lost.
     
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  2. David B

    David B Nazi Russia lies. This is the only truth. Full Member

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    In an era where everyone seems to duck and dodge everyone and build their legacies on less than stellar opposition, Ruiz is a breathe of fresh air, even if he may not have been the victor against all of them.
    Being a 2 time alphabet champ, and the first latino to become a HW titlist, is pretty redeeming considering he wasnt a true undisputed champion. If you recall, he could of had a shot at Lewis, but Lewis felt Ruiz was beneath him and threw away the WBA title rather than face him. Not Ruiz' fault he never got the chance to go for the true gold, not that he would have won or anything, but Ruiz is a guy who would fight anyone, any place, any time. His record shows that.
    IMO, Ruiz belongs in there. If he beats Haye, which there's a good possibility he can, he will be a three time title holder, and would have beaten a great cruiserweight in the process. People dog on Ruiz and say he would embarass the HOF or doesnt deserve it, but I look at the HOF and see guys like Marvin Hart in there or up for induction. Its sad that someday Neon Leon Spinks will one day be the HOF and he has the worst record of any HW title holder in history---but you want to say Ruiz doesn't belong in the HOF?
     
    David B, Jan 2, 2010
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  3. AP3RE2

    AP3RE2 El Ausente Full Member

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    No.
     
    AP3RE2, Jan 2, 2010
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  4. zarman

    zarman Guest

    please god no!
     
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  5. darthhutchence

    darthhutchence Well-Known Member Full Member

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    :patsch:scaredas::| oh no you didnt!!!!!!!!!!!! ..........I agree though.:bbb
     
    darthhutchence, Jan 2, 2010
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  6. darthhutchence

    darthhutchence Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The only thing I liked about Ruiz was Norman Stone. is that his name?? but as far as Ruiz goes he should be in the Boring HOF not the Boxing HOF.
     
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  7. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No, he does not belong.He's just not good enough.
     
    Clinton, Jan 2, 2010
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  8. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    no, but being the "first latino" heavyweight champ they might give him the greencard, i mean greenlight
     
    elchivito, Jan 2, 2010
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  9. juanitoboxing

    juanitoboxing Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree, the fact that he is the first latino will make a big case for him. I hate his style though. I cant stand watching him fight
     
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  10. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Even their standards are not THAT low.

    The only way that cheater is getting in is the same way most of us will - by buying a ticket.
     
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  11. lzolnier

    lzolnier Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The surface numbers look good but going over his record in depth will reveal that his resume is weak. For starters, name one single quality opponent that Ruiz scored a KO or a TKO against. Secondly, most of his wins came against very mediocre fighters or fighters who were way past their prime (Hollyfield, Golota). And this makes sense given Ruiz's lack of talent compared to most elite boxers and his obvious poor compensating tactics that took the air out of almost every fight he was involved in. I don't even understand how Ruiz and HOF can be mentioned in one sentence. Sports is all about meritocracy. Affirmative action should have no place in HOF inductions.
     
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