Johnny Nelson thinks he would have beaten Usyk

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  1. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    He went 24 rounds with Lewis, and probably lost 20 of them. He was gifted a draw he didn't deserve.
    I can said the same for second Bowe fight, where he was outlanded by a good 100+ punches.
    Holyfield was a great boxer, but a dirty baster that was getting away with a lot. And saying that last time i check Bowe TKO him in the 3rd final fight, that said it all.

    Tyson was great win, but if Holy was past it at 34, then Usyk is also past it, at 35 ...

    Boxing is not i did good against this or that guy, than i surely will beat that guy. Ain't working that way, and that just speak about your knowledge.

    It's also funny that you are trying hard by giving Usyk somehow of a "bad" performance, and not where he is on his best.

    Bellew won 2 or 3 rounds, because of Usyk strategy. And Usyk was never in trouble in that fight.
    For Chisora Usyk was after a long layout, and had bad camp + was dealing with injuries and had a hand surgery(his words).
    Still he was never in trouble and won the fight cleanly, even with all of Chisora dirty tactics, hitting bellow the belt and tons of shot in the back of the head, that would have result in DQ if the fight was ruled fairly.

    And yeah Usyk was in enemy territory.


    Holyfield would get schooled, he ain't no match for Usyk, who is clearly superior in absolutely everything.
    Not to mention that Holyfield was juiced to the gills big big big big time.
    Still Usyk is used to beat steroids cheats like him, AJ is a good example, who is als juiced to the gills.
     
  2. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Nelson is biased towards British fighters, saying Bellew would have out-boxed Usyk if he didn`t gas is delusional, all Bellew was doing was waiting to counter once Usyk adapted it was all over.
     
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  3. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I agree with most everything, although never counted to see how Bowe might have outlanded him by that much.
    But you have no ideas if AJ juiced-often or ever.
    Maybe he did, maybe anyone did.
    But it is not implausible to be his size at 6'6" & he never gained muscle unreasonably fast when already big.
     
  4. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Bowe v Holy 2 was close, Bowe didn`t even land 100 punches, Usyk would have beaten both of them, however Holyfield was a great boxer and was far better than anybody Usyk has beaten thus far.
     
  5. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    As far as AJ goes, he made a good transform from his amateur days compare to his pros. Look at his overall body, and especially his legs.
    There is a clear difference.
    But more importantly he somehow managed to gain clear muscle mass and somehow still be or even more clean.
    Look at Usyk transformation, he clearly gain fats/water and his transformation looks realistic. He didn't somehow become even more shredded while gaining 10+ pounds or so.
    But it's mainly the look, you won't have that type of looks, unless you are on heavy dosage. Same for Holyfield.

    Normal muscle just don't look that pump, no matter how clean/low bf% you are. Compare it to Usyk body when he was at CW and was ripped big time. Exactly how a natural body would looks like.

    I have been training Martial Arts my whole life, and yeah i have been using steroids on and off(pretty much on periods like 2-3 years on and off), and knows the difference and how different your body looks when you are on roids and when you are not.

    And yeah even Usyk can be on roids, but he was stable through his whole career, from amateur to pro, and his body pretty much looks the same in terms of looking and so.

    Also you will never ever get that round muscle looks that both Holy and AJ had. Never, ever, unless you are on roids. And never in a million years will build such shoulders without roids. Same with building that type of thick body. No chance without roids. I have been there and done that and knows what is possible and what not.

    Just look at Holyfield in here:
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    Yeah he is big time roid cheat.
     
  6. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Bowe landed 350, compare to 250 to Holyfield.
    And while compubox is terrible, anyone can judge the fight on it's own.
     
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  8. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    Please timestamp your videos.
     
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  9. Oddone

    Oddone Bermane Stiverne's life coach. Full Member

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    You removed crackhead from the title which suggests to me at least that Nelson may have had a chance to beat Usyk if he was powered by crack during the fight.
     
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  10. fitzroy boy_iron mike

    fitzroy boy_iron mike Active Member Full Member

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    Nelson is a bum from Sheffield who ran around the ring
     
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  11. Chuck Norris

    Chuck Norris Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I didn't remove it someone else did.
     
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  12. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Er. Evan Fields was a walking PED factory

    If Usyk was granted the luxury and given a free pass for becoming a walking pharmacy he would look even more impressive

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  13. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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  14. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Smoke another dube, Johnny.
     
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  15. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

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    Don’t really see the big deal. Does anyone expect Nelson or any other champion to say someone else would have beat him. I mean really.