Johnson & Jeannette's Common Opponents

Great history in this thread!

 

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That pretty much means Johnson would win because Jim Corbett was famous for being absolutely horrible at predicting the outcomes of fights. You can believe what you want but Jeanette was maybe, MAYBE Johnsons best contender for about 1 month of his reign. Beyond that any claim he has to being ducked is a joke. Langford I concede had a great claim to a title defense and should have gotten it. I dont think he would have won it but thats neither here nor there. Jeanette and Mcvey have weak claims to justify them getting a title shot over anyone else IMO.

 

And this is exactly why, despite my love of the subject matter, I refuse to buy his book.

 

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My treatment of Dempsey and Tunney is justified and always backed up by a plethora of contemporary sources which are the majority. I let them tell the story, I dont bend the story to suit an agenda which is what im told this guy has done in his book. Particularly if he is trying to claim, beyond reason, that Jeanette was Johnson's equal or that Jeanette was Johnson's most deserved contender. Neither point is historically defensible. Whether you like or agree with my arguments on this forum or not my point isnt any different than what I make in the book and thats based upon historical research and a majority of first hand sources/opinions. When I offer an opinion its clearly that, just an opinion and I think I state that clearly. When i offer fact based historical argument you can be damned sure its backed up. Thats not what this guy is doing. Hes blending the two in order to rewrite history which I dont agree with and which I think is dangerous habit to get into and one which has allowed for many of the myths that have been exploded in recent years in regards to boxing to have been so pervasive.

 

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Really? You used the same sources I used...


I doubt it. More to the point I let those sources do the talking. I didnt pretend I was Joe Jeanette and didnt try to selectively pick and choose only those sources that made it appear as if Jeanette were the greatest HW in the world at that time. Thats exactly what you are doing here. If Ive ever argued that Greb was ducked, or avoided, or a clear top contender, or robbed, or whatever its backed up clearly documented by a MAJORITY of accounts. Had I chosen to take part in the kind of revision you are taking part in Joe, I could have easily picked and chosen ONLY THOSE ARTICLES WHICH ARE COMPLIMENTARY to Greb like you do with Jeanette here. I never once did that and the proof is heavily cited in my notes section which anyone can cross reference if they doubt the accuracy of my work. So please, feel free if you want to claim I have done what you are doing here but make sure you do your homework first because I can defend my position with an avalanche of sources. I dont need to pick and choose and then throw a hissy fit when people dont agree with me.

 

And this is the kind of intellectual response weve come to know and love from you Joe. Great stuff.


The last refuge of a guy who cant defend his own argument with facts is insults. Bravo.

 

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Sure... :roll:

 

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