Johnson & Jeannette's Common Opponents

I'm sure McGrain will be gratified to have you allied with him.What year do you think Jeannette most deserved a title shot with Johnson during his reign?

1908? When Jeannette drew with 11-3-0 Jim Barry, lost to Langford over 6 rounds managing to get floored 3 times in those 18 minutes.

1909? When he lost to McVey being knocked down 3 times.
Lost to Johnson victim Sandy Ferguson over 12 rds And drew with AL Kubiak whom some papers claimed was robbed.

1910? Drew with Morris Harris whom Johnson kod in 1 round.
Lost to Langford again.Drew with Jeff Clark.

1911? Lost again to Langford being floored in the first round.
Drew with 18-9-3 Jim Barry
Drew with Johnson victim Tony Ross.
Lost to Langford again, being floored a further 3 times.

1912? Lost to 9-5-2 Battling Jim Johnson whom you have described several times as a journeyman.
Lost to Jeff Clark who at 163.5lbs was conceding 32lbs to Jeannette.

1913? Lost to unknown Jack Thompson whom a positively ancient Johnson outpointed in1923.Drew with 8-1-1 Harry Wills.
Drew with hog fat 199.5lbs Langford. Lost to ,you guessed it Langford again.

1914? Won a controversial decision over a 20years old 168lbs Carpentier.
Won a lucky decision over Colin Bell.
Drew with Harry Wills now 12-1-2
Drew with Battling Jim Johnson 17-7-3
Drew with 199.5lbs Langford, described as badly out of condition. Drew again with Battling Jim Johnson

Jack Johnson lost his title in April 1915 ,a month later Jeannette lost to Battling Jim Johnson.So, you tell me, what was Jeannette's optimum year for his title challenge

When was he the standout number one contender?


"critique your witting style?" Good to see you are still managing to invent new words.I admire creativity.:good

 

The only problem with this is it isn't true.

Some reports say Johnson should have been given the fight.

"Atlanta Constitution reported a win for Jeannette, after he was given three minutes to recover from a low blow in the first round, Trenton Evening Times felt the blow in the first round wasn't a foul at all, but a blow to the pit of the stomach, and that in fact Johnson beat Jeannette twice that evening, once by knockout, the other time on points. Report carried in the Calgary Daily Herald supported the foul having been committed in round 1 and said Jeannette outpointed and outpunched the bigger man. Draw according to New York Times".
Jeannette had""defeated Johnson 5 times previously "but Johnson had won their first fight and drawn 2 others .

Here is their record.
1918 NC No Dec
1915 Johnson w10
1914 D12
1914 Jeannette W10
1914 D10
1914 Jeannette W 10
1913 Jeannette W dsq
1913 Jeannette W10
1912 Jeannette W10
1912 Johnson W6

Jeannette had no qualms about taking dsq wins over Jack Johnson,Black Bill,Tony Ross and in1913 Battling Jim Johnson himself so that is bull****.

Jeannette only lost once in 1915 ?Jack Johnson lost his crown in April of that year that doesnt give him a lot of time to have met Jeannette does it?

You might want to look at the calibre of the majority of the fighters Jeannette faced in 1915.

John Lester Johnson 177lbs 5-1-0
Bill Tate 2-4-0
Cleve Hawkins 170lbs 6-4
Arthur Pelkey bankrupt by legal fees, broken and demoralised after the death of McCarty19-11-1 He'd lost his last 3, 2 by ko
Sam Langford outstanding win
Battling Brooks 0-9-0
Sam McVey Drew
Battling Brooks now 0-10-0
Battling Jim Johnson L10
Bill Watkins 3-6-0

Apart from the Langford and McVey fights,I suggest any competent journeymen could have emulated those wins.

You might also like to explain to me how Jeannette came to be defending his "coloured heavyweight title" to 5-2-0 Silas Green 9 months after Jim Johnson beat him?




Jim Johnson was fighting a 35 years old Jack Johnson who had been out of the ring for a year and a half and who was further handicapped by fighting from the 3rd rd on with a broken arm.The report of the fight states that the Champion finished the last round strong with the challenger hanging on. Seven months after this fight Jim Johnson drew with a Jeannette who was having his 4th fight that year and who was fighting with two good arms .

 

No offence to you , but the more I read of the book the more I am convinced I won't be buying it. At least we are civil now ,that's something.

 

McVey also won one and drew one with Langford Down Under.

 

In 1909 Jeannette also lost to McVey over 20rds being floored 3 times he lost to Langford as well and could only draw with the very moderate Al Kubiak who some considered to have been robbed of the decision .Jeannette lost a decision to Sandy Ferguson that year too.Johnson toyed with Ferguson.Those results hardly make Jeannette the outstanding contender or a candidate to be Johnson,s best TITTLE opponent.

Q.If Jeannette was that good, how come he lost to and drew with so many average journeymen?


You would not recognise the truth if it juimped up and hit you in the face.


You can lead a bigot to the truth but you can't make him think.:rofl

SHOT answer gets a SHOT reply.

ps Do you type with mittens on? :hey