Johnson,Langford,Jeannette,McVey.Their Opponents In Common

I never said Langford was green when they met simply he was much smaller then in his prime the exact same argument you made for Johnson when discussing his lose against Choynski who himself was no giant so hardly giving up massive weight.

You keep mentioning Jeannette last lose to Johnson yet you listed all of their fights not just the last the first Jeannette like 5 fights mostly losses I can check but its in that ball park might be less. Johnson can't get a buy because he was small (against a man no larger then him) and green yet when Langford was giving up an even bigger weight difference and Jeannette even less experience its ignored.

 

And Marvin Hart. In 1905, I'd favor Hart over Langford, or Jeannette.

 

Please. Langford was just 20, and clearly had a lot more room to grow into his body. How many heavyweights did Langford beat before he meet Johnson that were over 180 pounds?

We've been over this before, Johnson had 20+ fights when he meet Choynski and was iced cold.

 

The fact is Langford gave up 30lbs to Johnson and Jack didn't even give up any weight to Choynski. The numbers between the fight weight and later on optimal weight might be in Johnson favor however Langford was at a greater disadvantage when he fought Johnson then when Jack fought Choynski size wise.

Of course they improved after the losses all of them which is exactly my point doing straight numbers win/loses doesn't give you a true indication of the fights. You keep making excuse for Johnson losses but when the same is said for his wins you refuse to accept it. Under your logic Choynski 1 - 0 Johnson no details need be mentioned like you did for Johnson's wins.

If Johnson vs Langford and Johnson vs Jeanette is a level playing field which you initially claimed when I said the opposition and you called bollocks then using the same logic Johnson vs Choynski is a level playing field. You can't use one logic (purely numbers) to make your point and dispute it when your point is shown as invalid.

 

Minotauro,

Mcvey is a clown. He doesn't learn. I wish you good luck.

• Langford, but 20 and an estimated 156 pounds when he met Johnson.
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• McVey - Just a teenager and green without many fights when he fight Johnson.
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• Jeannette - No amateur experience, turned pro late for the time, and had a losing or .500 type of record for many of the fights with Johnson.

 

For Langford's height the natural limit of fat free mass would be around 160Ibs. That's a FFMI of around 25, which is thought to be around the limit for naturals, but even a lot of steroid users don't get that high.But given he was a boxer, not a weight lifter, and getting to that FFM requires a ton of leg muscle, and elite muscle building genetics, I doubt he could even get close to that.

If you assumed that average FFMI of a non steroid using bodybuilder (which is probably generous), of just under 22, and a bodyfat of 15%, which is reasonable, but not even really lean, that'd still put him at only around 167Ibs.

 

Langford was a very thick and compact man, comparable to an NFL running back with thick legs, a strong back and wide shoulders. Nothing about his build was average, so I would not compare him to average. I have his work out clips.

 

So in other words Langford didn't beat anyone of weight prior to facing Johnson! Sam was a lower weight fighter starting out as a teenager. DUH. Asking a 20 year old with an estimated weight of 156 pounds to beat a more experienced fighter at heavyweight who has a 29-30 pound advantage is asking a lot.

Jeanette had how many fights then? He was 8-6-1 and according to his own bio much lighter than Johnson.

Langford was 140 pounds in December 1903 when he beat Joe Gans. He was small, light and young

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. Not 19 pounds. I see your trying to shift the focus to other fighters as usual when you are out gunned, I'm not playing that game or correcting you on the ages or math. Let's stick to the topic.

 

But that's not an average for normal people, but for natural bodybuilders.