Johnson,Langford,Jeannette,McVey.Their Opponents In Common

He'd just beaten Jeanette, who'd weighed 185Ibs against Johnson soon before.

 

Sam McVey was just a teenager at the time, and I told you he quit boxing when he lost to Ed Martin in 1904 ( three looses in a row for the teenaged Mcvey ). Why cant you learn?

Johnson had been fighting since age 16 you idiot! His first listed win was in 1894 over John Lee for what was billed at the Texas middle weight championship

When Jack Johnson first met Joe Jeannette he had 11 years of ring experience. Read that twice. Jeannette was 0-3 with less than one full year of experience when he first met Johnson. Jeanette had zero amateur experience. Please stop making a mockery of this forum and reporting lies.

As I told you, Jennaette often had a losing of .500 record when he was mixing it with Johnson, yet despite numerous disadvantages he had some draws and DQ win when Johnson fouled and went low.

 

I would not bet on that. The Boston globe says Jeanette was much lighter than Johnson for their Nov 1905 fight. 25 pounds lighter. Jeannette himself says he was well blow 185 when he started out.

The Boston Globe: Joe Jeannette of New York went down in the second round of the wind-up with Jack Johnson, the Negro heavyweight champion, at the National A.C. tonight, from a foul blow, and 10 minutes later he was carried from the ring suffering intense pain. The blow was delivered about the middle of the second round and when both men were fighting fast. Johnson rushed Jeannette into a corner and one of his many swings went foul, the blow landed several inches below the belt. Jeannette’s seconds worked over him five minutes, and then carried him to his dressing room. Jeannette to the surprise of everyone, had all the better of the first round. He was fully six inches shorter than his opponent, and 25 pounds lighter.

Commencing the second round, Johnson sent a hard right to Jeannette’s body and swung another right for the jaw, but Jeannette was out of harm’s way and came back with that bad left to Johnson’s jaw. This appeared to anger the big champion, and he went after Jeannette. Many of the blows, which had steam enough behind them to drive Jeannette through the ropes, missed, and as Jeannette straightened up after each ducking he nearly always managed to tap Johnson’s jaw. Johnson fought Joe around the ring, and finally getting him in a corner, rained rights and lefts on his body, one of which blows went low and Jeannette fell to the mat. Johnson, not knowing he had hurt Jeannette, struck him at least twice while the latter was falling.

The Hudson Dispatch reported the following: In the middle of the second round of a fast, interesting contest, at the National Athletic Club last night, Jack Johnson, the colored heavyweight champion laid low Joe Jeannette with a terrific left hand uppercut which landed very low on the Gotham boy. As Jeannette sank to the canvas with a startling groan, the crowd threatened to the title holder bodily harm, and it was due to the fact that a squad of armed policemen entered the ring, in time to prevent some lovers of the Queensbury rules from starting into the ring.

Jeannette was carried unconscious from the ring to his dressing room, where Doctors Ferris and O’Connor, failing to revive him, sent him to the Pennsylvania Hospital. Johnson was placed under arrest and locked up in a nearby station house where he was held until Jeannette entirely recovered from the blow. Jeannette was taken to the station house, but he refused to make any charges against the champion.
Johnson and Jeannette were the principals in the star boxing show at the National Club’s weekly boxing show. The former had every natural advantage, towering over the Jersey man, outclassing him in reach and outweighing him many pounds. There was considerable money bet that Jeannette would not last four rounds, Johnson himself having put up $200.
When the bell summoned the men into action, Johnson appeared the cleverer of the two, having it all over Jeannette. The latter soon got down to business and a long left jab was continually reaching the champion’s jaw. A hard right to the body shook Jack up considerably.
Jeannette kept these tactics in the second round, and Johnson maddened at the thought, threw all reason and rules to the wind, and started to go in and “rough house” it.
Near the end of the second round, he rushed in, swinging both arms wildly, Jeannette backed into the ropes, and as he did so, Johnson released a terrific left uppercut from his knees, hitting the local fighter very low. Jeannette then slowly sank to the floor.

Jeannette was carried unconscious from the ring to his dressing room, where Doctors Ferris and O’Connor, failing to revive him, sent him to the Pennsylvania Hospital. Johnson was placed under arrest and locked up in a nearby station house where he was held until Jeannette entirely recovered from the blow. Jeannette was taken to the station house, but he refused to make any charges against the champion.

 

I can't find any specific weight for their fight. This says Jeannette weighed 30 Ibs more than Langford, which would put him atleast at 185Ibs

https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/.../#words=langford+jeannette+Langford+jeannette

 

When comparing Jack Johnson, Sam Langford, Joe Jeannette and Sam McVea as heavyweights, Johnson was clearly the best, Langford being the second-best by a clear margin, and Jeannette and McVey being about the same. But I would rate Langford over Johnson in the pound-for-pound category at their best.

- Chuck Johnston

 

LOL, the Boston globe is a fine source. Yes they said Jeannette was doing well. Yes they said Johnson threw an uppercut from his knees into Jeannette's groin.

If you read your own post the foul was confirmed by a doctor. The Philadelphia Public Ledger missed a clear low blow signals their reporting was junk.

 

And anyone above middle weight was pretty much as heavyweight back then unless they specifically fighting in the very new light heavyweight division created in 1903, and abandoned for title fights by 1905.

Resurfacing much later in 1913. Do you think at all??? DUH.

 

Answering your questions is easy. Answer mine first. What was the purse for Johnson vs Johnson, 1913. You claim to know. Well what was it? I already rocked your world for the 1,000'th time about the low attendance and purse for Johnson vs Flynn.

I hope you learned almost everyone above middle in 1903-1909 was considered a heavyweight and your reply as to which heavyweight Langford beat above 180 pounds before he met Johnson tells me everything I need to know!