Johnson V Langford in 1909 ?

All of the films. If you mean "boxer" in the sense that Corbett was a boxer, none of the films. If you are trying to imply that it should take a boxer of the Corbett variety to KD Johnson...what the **** are you talking about?

It's just a way for you to present Johnson in a negative light again, as if everyone didn't know, and remember that you're not talking to someone who loves him here but someone who usually ranks him outside the top 10.

I know this fight better than you (based upon the posts) and I don't think he made Johnson look "very bad" at all. In fact I think this is something you can say only if you hate Johnson and no film exists, which is the case.

I just love the way you are calling it a "TKO". Sparring stories, exhibition stories appear about these fighters all the time. It doesn't mean much.

I personally think Johnson would have a very good chance of "taking Langford's power" should Langford manage to hit him in 1909, he was an absolutely outstanding fighter here at his best.

Unless you decide to take the version that turned up out of shape with the specific plan, probably, of coasting to a decision against O'Brien, or the version that boxes exhibitions after a night on the tiles.

LASTLY, Ketchel was a phenom as a puncher, absolutely monumental, and in my opinion it is Sam's cleverness which puts him out in front of Stanley in terms of pure power. In short, the fact that Johnson got hit by Ketchel, went down, and bounced up like nothing happened speaks FOR his chances of "taking Langford's power."

But of course, you don't care about that, because the truth doesn't interest you in a case where it contradicts your incredibly biased, perverse, ridiculous view of the problem, of which you are a part.

 

That is ****ing outrageous based upon your conduct on this forum, whoever you are speaking to.

 

There is really very little chance for a top class MW to beat a top class CW.

A top class CW does have a chance to beat a small top class HW.

Most people know and accept this, which is why they tend to toss some of the raw appeal of the Langford resut.

Basically Langford's chances were almost literally zero first time around, and wouldn't be here.

 

You might be missing my point a little bit.

What i'm saying is that no 156lb fighter could EVER beat a young Ali, Louis, Tyson, Lewis...or Johnson.

You're talking about a pre-prime middleweight beating a pre-prime heavyweight. I don't think the fact that Langford's loss to Johnson rules out his beating Johnson later at all...though I favour Johnson here.

vrsa

 

I'm not talking about "a guy". I'm talking about oustanding HW's with outstanding physical chacteristics. Okay, who out of the following, weighing 156lbs and with a record of something like 20-0:

Hagler
Monzon
Robinson
Hopkins
Greb


Would you take to beat the following with a record of something like 20-0:

Ali
Tyson
Johnson
Jeffries (!)
Louis



There's nothing broad about this, it's just common sense.

 

No.

I said that Sam's smarts are what made him a better puncher.

Regardless of whether i'm right or wrong, Ketchel was an absolutely outstanding puncher.

 

The point i'm making is a pre-prime MW beating a pre-prime ATG HW is not something that is going to happen. But if you want to drag it out, OK.

Which of these men, weighing 156lbs with a record of something like 20-0:

Bernard Hopkins
Marvin Hagler
Sugar Ray Robinson
Stanley Ketchel

Would you take to beat the following men with a record of something like 20-0:

Rocky Marciano
Joe Frazier
Jack Johnson
Evander Holyfield