Johnson vs Choynski

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  1. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It isnt often discussed, and the actual fight throws a real cat amongst the pidgeons. But who wins this battle prime for prime?
     
  2. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Prime for prime? Johnson. By then his skills were better than Choinsky's and he had a big size advantage. Choinsky still would have a punchers chance but, well, I doubt this will be enough.
     
  3. Jorodz

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    i love this fight as choynski is one of the most fascinating fighters of all time. small, skilled, underappreciated and apparently, a great trainer. after taking out johnson he taught him to box in 3 days while in prison.

    considering the fighter Johnson became, this is a great testimony to choynski. however, it is apparent from reports that choynski came along at the right time and though he saw great potential in johnson, he was very much green at the time.

    prime for prime, johnson destroys him
     
  4. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I thought that this might be a commonly held view, that choynski couldnt repeat the feat.

    But, consider all the dominant one round blowouts in history. How often does the person who was blasted out early actually turn this around and come back and dominate. It happens, but not all that often. If we assume the result legitimate, it would be a rare occassion.

    What examples are there of any boxers being blown out and turning the tide. Liston Patterson is one example where it didnt happen, although i suppose that Patterson Johansen is probably the best example where it did. Dempsey vs Flynn is another good one, but the first result really was a debateable one. They really are few and far between. Rahman vs Lewis was sort of a turnaround, but i dont think that the first was a dominant peformance, just a one off big shot landing. Vlad/Brewster is the same. I cant see where there are very many instances where guys are beaten comprehensively pre prime, but come back to turn the tables on their assailant. There must be more, which obvious ones am i missing.
     
  5. Jorodz

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    hmmmm, raking my brain here. louis-schmeling jumps out for me as the biggest...
     
  6. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I'll go with the winner of the original fight. Johnson was too inconsistent... even in his supposed prime.
     
  7. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I know, but the first fight, despite Schmelling's win was still a very close and competive fight. Louis came back dominant, true, but Schmelling was older and had some pretty decent excuses for performing poorly in the first fight. Any others?
     
  8. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It wont be the popular pick, but it is not as wide of the mark as some people are likely to suggest.
     
  9. Abdullah

    Abdullah Boxing Junkie banned

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    Johnson, of course.
     
  10. Jorodz

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    how about joe gans-frank erne

    erne seemed to have gans number in the first but 2 years on, gans destroyed him in one
     
  11. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I havent picked but if ,as you say your reason for picking Choynsky is because of Johnson's inconsistancy, I think you had better take a peek at Choynsky's record .
    He could be the poster boy for inconsistancy.:huh
     
  12. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I was just goading you...

    Honestly, I would slightly favor Johnson due to the defensive skills (holding and clinching) he seems to have acquired post Choynski. That style allowed him to use the strength advantage he held against most of his contemporaries. He was no weakling, that is for sure. And apparently Joe gave him some pointers while they were in the clink.
     
  13. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I wasn't goaded, just not sure, you had looked at Joe's CV.
    I am not Mendoza.I don't feel the need to charge into the Valley of Death every 5 minutes :good
     
  14. Jorodz

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    damn straight. they were in for 3 days and when johnson emerged, he had was a better fighter for it. choynski should get some credit for the fighter johnson became under his very brief tutledge
     
  15. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Joe wasn't that inconsistant, from the losses that young Joe had to Goddard until McCoy conned him in 1899 only Peter Maher beat him cleanly and that included tilts with Sharkey, Jeffries and Fitz. He had slipped by the Johnson fight but was about as far past his best as Jack was from his. Still I think Johnson learned from that ko and the jail lesson and a peak jack beats a peak Joe every time.IMO.