Johnson vs Choynski

I think that Choynski would always have been a dangerous asignment for Johnson.

I would expect the prime Johnson to beat him however.

 

Just how exactly was Johnson inconsistent in his prime?

He suffered one controvertial loss in a period of 15 years.

 

Good lord, this again. So Hart beats him and it's "controversial" (note spelling) but no controversy for his performances against Choynski, a green Jeanette, O'Brien, Ketchell, Johnson and Willard... I don't have the patience to re-iterate....

 

Note, no hyphen in reiterate.:good

 

Choynsky lost 4 of his first 13 fights .Young Joe ? He was 23 when he lost to Goddard twice and 24 when he lost to Hall,he finished with 56 wins, and 14 losses, being kod 10 times,and that's consistant?:huh

 

If I recall from dear old Nat Fleischer's Black Dynamite, before throwing the two boys in the clink da judge scolded chrysanthemum Joe for taking advantage of his young opponents inexperience and knocking him out.

 

The initial meeting between the two took place in Johnson's home town, and Choynski Ko'd Johnson clean with one punch.

The teaching that Choynski gave Johnson while they spent time in prison has taken on a life of its own because it was mentioned in a documentary. Whatever Choynski told Johnson did not help Johnson in his next two fights. Indeed Johnson drew to a mediocre middle weight Billy Stift ( then 21-9-8 ) and lost a decision to a very good, but slightly past his prime Hank Griffin.

How does a re-match pay out? It depends. Clearly Choynski had the power to end things early if he landed. Psychologically, overcoming such a KO loss is not easy.

Choynski was not a statue to be clinched and bulled. No sir, he moved around quickly, and had very fast hands. Johnson isn't fighting a clumsy white hope level opponent here, he's fighting a hall of fame light heavyweight. Choynski had skills, speed, and power. Durability was not his long suit.

Judging by the famous picture of the two with Choynski standing directly in front of Johnson with their arms spread horizontally, Johnson was a shade taller, but Choynski had the better reach by a small margin.

Since Johnson struggles with speedy guys who can box ( O'brien, Griffin ), I think Choynski has a shot to win here. If Hart could hurt Johnson, and make a prime Johnson timid the second half of the fight, Choynski could do the same.

In fact when Johnson meet guys near his size, with good skills, and expedience that were not very green or past their prime, he struggled. Indeed he lost to Choynski, Hart, Griffin, and Klondike....then as champion he had his hands full with O"brien, Jim Johnson, and Moran.

Style wise the best way to defeat Choynski was to rush him, and that was not Johnson's style in the ring. So the style edge here goes to Choynski.

I see it as 50/50 type of re-match.

 

Guess I asked for that.

 

Note, there is no " y " at the end of Choynski's name either.

 

Excellent insight.

 

Just a bit of fun Seamus,I know your chin can take it:good

 

Choynsky's name ,like McVey's is spelt either way.
I have yet to see a definitive spelling ,and, if I was seeking a correction in spelling, I sure wouldn't be looking in your direction . Rainman

Psychologically ,Johnson did not appear to have much difficulty overcoming his loss to Klondike,as he drew with and stopped him later.
As Johnson was only stopped twice, in the first 18 years of his career ,we really don't know how it would affect him do we? :yep

Given that Corbett beat Choynsky twice, I feel it is entirely possible prime Johnson would outbox him.

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Joe didn't lose to Corbett and Goddard because he was inconsistant, he lost to them because they were simply better than him, inconsistancy is losing to inferior fighters. BTW he didn't lose to Hall and Joe never cracked the top tier, he never beat a peak top level Hw, but no non-top level fighter beat a peak Choynski.

 

Ski = Polish, Sky = Russian. Where is Choynski spelled with a " y " at the end, Mr. spell check police? Please show me:yep

Also out boxed is not one word.

Choynski lost very few decisions.