Johnson vs Flynn. The complete film.

I don't understand - why would I be disappointed if I was rich and had Greb fighting on film?

 

What I meant was if I didn't care about say, 10 grand or whatever it's worth, I'd post it for everyone. But as things stand now, It'd go to the highest bidder! lol

 

The intent is similar but he would actually grip his opponent by the wrists and often twist the opponent’s arms behind his back. I’ve never seen Wlad or Ruiz do that.

They might trap one or even both gloves against their own body by clamping own with their arms but they can only do that with a ‘cooperative’ opponent — look at Wlad vs. Povetkin, which is often cited, and you’ll see Povetkin time after time rush in and then thrust both arms forward under Wlad’s arms (after being warned you can even see Wlad a couple of times lift his arms out to show Povetkin is the one initiating the clinch by doing this). If Povetkin had been trying to punch in close he’d not have allowed himself to be clinched so much … exactly what tactical purpose does it serve a boxer to extend his arms forward under the opponent’s arms? I’m not saying Wlad didn’t hold, but Povetkin made it very easy for him to do so by not punching and thrusting his arms out.

Unlike Johnson in a lot of what I’ve seen, Ruiz and Wlad would at least ‘jab and grab’ or throw a 1-2 and then clinch … Johnson merely looked to negate his opponent’s ability to punch without throwing much himself until the guy was worn out. Or so it seems to me.

 

Wlad laid all over Povetkin ,I thought the fight was disgraceful. Johnson put Jeffries arm behind his back and walked him to his corner saying,"where do you want him?" To prove to Jeffries and his seconds that he was as strong/stronger than Jeffries.
I'm not aware of any other fight in which Johnson twisted an opponents arm up his back,can you give an example?
Johnson gripped his opponents biceps, stopping them from throwing punches.Infighting specifically hitting in the clinches ,was normally mutually agreed or not allowed before the fight by both parties.For example Burns who was considered an excellent infighter was happy to allow it ,and afterwards said he made a big mistake in doing so.
Clinching and fighting inside was agreed for both the Jeffries and Moran fights,Jeffries obviously thought it would be to his advantage,but that certainly didnt work out very well for him.

 

Johnson by and large was not clinching. There are articles from that time stating exactly this. Johnson was muffling/deadening body punching by “catching” them between his thumb and palm. Also “tapping” his opponents elbows also to deaden the power of body blows. Johnson’s skills are very misunderstood today.

The complete Johnson Flynn bout I discovered on the Historic Films website and posted to Boxing Scene to counter Mendozas outrageous claims that Flynn would have beaten Johnson had the bout been allowed to continue.

 

And here is one of those articles from right after Johnson’s bout with Flynn:

https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/...=basic&sequence=0&state=&date2=1912&proxtext=

Fleischer also wrote of Johnson’s tapping of opponents elbows and catching/deadening, of inside blows.

 

Looks quite primitive and ugly. Arms at his waist, no jab whatsoever and holding every 2 seconds.

 

Read the article I just posted. By and large Johnson is not holding. Johnson had a terrific jab.

 

The film doesn’t support your assertion. Johnson doesn’t throw a single decent jab. There’s so much non-stop wrestling going on it barely resembles boxing.

 

So not from," a private collection then?"lol
Seriously I know you first posted it on there and I put the record straight on that.

 

Johnson just doesn’t look good at all on film. The professionalization of the sport came a long way just a few decades after him. I’ve never seen him stick a proper jab. He did have a nice uppercut as you mention. In the sparring footage pre-Jeffries, he’s shown landing a few good ones and then in the fight he finishes Jeffries with a barrage of uppercuts.