Johnson vs the following in 1911 and 1912

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  1. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    He beat a midget, a hophead and an old Alfalfa farmer.

    What does that really say about him as a great heavyweight?
     
  2. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    The connotations of your descriptions stray very far from reality.
     
  3. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Burns was a 167 pound heavyweight. How would you describe him?

    Ketchel was a middleweight who liked to party and had dalliances chasing the dragon.

    Jim Jeffries was a professional saloon owner and alfalfa farmer. He hadn't been a pro fighter in years.

    I would say I was pretty accurate.
     
  4. reznick

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    They were 3 of the best fighters in their era. Anybody able to get in the ring with them, and make it look like play time, is a phenom.
     
  5. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I'm tempted to give Johnson the be fit of the doubt. That is to say the footage we have showing him dominating 4 men marries with the glowing reports and means any aggressive fighter smaller than he loses.
     
  6. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Watching him fight and seeing the skills he displayed it's hard to imagine a swarmer beating him in his prime. Terrific heavyweight with unique talents.
     
  7. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Johnson beats Langford. Frazier, Dempsey, and Marciano are too active for Johnson IMO.
     
  8. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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    Exactly. Which is why Johnson would be fighting in UFC and not boxing in 2015.
     
  9. Reason123

    Reason123 Not here for the science fiction. Full Member

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    I'd pick him to beat Dempsey and Frazier I think he can win a clear UD from each. I Don't know if he'd beat Langford or Marciano though. Both could win by KO if they land. Marciano would be the most interesting I think and would be the one I'd most like to see.
     
  10. Seamus

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    Were Jeffries or Ketchell the best heavyweights of their respective few years?

    Was Burns the smallest heavyweight champ of the MDQ era?
     
  11. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Name me the great swarmer who could throw even rudimentary combos that he beat?

    Come on, Big Brained Perry. School us with your resplendent wisdom.
     
  12. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's a question of boxing skill. The ability to slip, block, avoid punishment and counter. It's a question of style. Johnson had the perfect skill set to beat swarmers. Excellent inside game, great defense, great physical strength, great endurance.

    Try to learn more about the sport you post about. It's far more than reading a bio or looking at records.

    You pose question of a real amateur. Study up.
     
  13. Seamus

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    No, it's a question of the type of opponent he faced versus the type of opponent proposed in the thread question.

    C'mon, genius. Answer with something besides lame generalizations and namecalling.

    I am still waiting for a single original or insightful idea to emerge on one of your posts.
     
  14. reznick

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    I've never seen a boxer who didn't throw rudimentary combos.
     
  15. Seamus

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