Johnson's 1912 Defence Against Jeannette Cancelled By Commission

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by mcvey, Feb 25, 2012.


  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

    97,745
    29,125
    Jun 2, 2006
  2. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

    81,564
    21,929
    Sep 15, 2009
    This is a fight that would certainly have improved his legacy. Especially had he dominated like expected. He could even have negated the langford fight by then taking on mcvey after he outpointed the boston terror.

    His reign would then have more legitimacy post jeffries.
     
  3. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

    55,255
    10,354
    Jun 29, 2007
    Cancel by commission? This sounds a bit like the rigged Dempsey vs. Wills affair that was voted down 2-1. If Johnson really wanted to offer Jeannette a title shot, multiple venues were available. If not in the USA, surely in England, France, or Australia where papers indicated big time promoters were willing to make the match.

    Jeanette in 1912 would have been Johnson's most formidable opponent ever. A win here would have somewhat legitimized his championship title run.

    A question to ponder is this? Who were the best opponents who were in their prime, or close enough to it that Johnson fought? Langford, Jeannette, and McVey do not qualify.

    I would say Williard, Choynski, and Hart. Anyone agree or disagree?
     
  4. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

    42,723
    269
    Jul 22, 2004
    Jack Johnson butt****ed Mendoza's grandma
     
  5. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

    81,564
    21,929
    Sep 15, 2009
    His championship run leaves a lot to be desired but his resume does not.
     
  6. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

    97,745
    29,125
    Jun 2, 2006
    Apropos to your comments, Johnson gets a lot of deserved flak for not defending against his black contemporaries,it is just possible ,as this newsread shows ,that some of the flak is unmerited. Thanks for your input.:good
     
  7. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

    97,745
    29,125
    Jun 2, 2006
    Pity he did not do the same to Mendoza.
     
  8. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

    97,745
    29,125
    Jun 2, 2006
    So, what is your take on this piece?
    Did Johnson own the newspaper ?
    Did he connive to get out of the fight?
    If he did ,why would he sign to participate in it?
    Please give us your objective unbiased insights.

    Grand Wizard.:lol:

    This content is protected
     
  9. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

    81,564
    21,929
    Sep 15, 2009
    Not so much flak by myself as a ceiling for his legacy. By jeffries he'd cleaned out his era so I understand his taking the foot off the gas. However I can't put him in my top 2 with only a 6 year spell as the best hw out there (hart to jeffries) after that langford and mcvey ruled the division in a realistic sense whilst he became less of a boxer and more of a public figure.
     
  10. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

    97,745
    29,125
    Jun 2, 2006

    Really? What did Jeannette do in 1912 that was so impressive?
    He certainly was very active, fighting 22 times,but his best opponents were .
    Battling Jim Johnson x4. 2 dec wins , he was floored in 1 fight. A dsq win. And a draw.Johnson had just 15 fights when he drew with Jeannette.
    This is the guy you called a journeyman.
    Tony Ross. A dsq win over another guy you called a journeyman .Ross had drawn with him the previous year.
    A loss to LHVY Jeff Clark.
    A loss to Langford.

    The previous year Jeannette was castigated for his dec win over middleweight Jack Twin Sullivan.

    Below a report of the Sullivan fight , and states after this, fight" he is not being taken seriously"
    http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cdnc/cgi-bin/cd...s=14&e=-------en--50--1--txt-IN-joe+jeannette----


    Look at the records of the others he fought that year , ham and eggers, and novices.
    In short Jeannette did NOTHING in 1912 to show your assertion is accurate.
     
  11. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

    97,745
    29,125
    Jun 2, 2006
    Who were the best opponents Jim Jeffries fought, who were in their prime?

    Tom Sharkey,and Gus Ruhlin,and ,and , and,:lol:

    PS Jeffries turned down $20,000 to fight that pre prime McVey:think

    It's a matter of public record.:lol:

    McVey didn't qualify, being under 37 , over 172lbs, and the wrong colour.:oops:
     
  12. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

    97,745
    29,125
    Jun 2, 2006
  13. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

    55,255
    10,354
    Jun 29, 2007
    Go f' yourself. And stop with the race card. Your a bitter old man who has nothing better to do. Johnson was champ from 1908-1915. If he wanted to risk his title vs Jeannette, the fight could have been made during this time line in multiple venues.
     
  14. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

    97,745
    29,125
    Jun 2, 2006

    Bitter? I'm having the time of my life, plenty of ££££,all the leisure time to spend it in, great friends, and a loving partner.
    Nothing better to do? Theatre ,and hunting last week , hunting Saturday , then a few drinks whilst watching the Rugby,Sunday out with friends listening to Jazz, today out with the dogs later. Not enough hours in the day for me.
    Johnson signed to fight Jeannette twice, both times the fight fell through due to outside interference.
    Read the links.

    While you are at it, read the accounts of Jeannette's less than stellar ,1912 performances , especially his being beaten by 163lbs Clark. See you later, Grand Wizard.:hi:
     
  15. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

    11,604
    290
    Apr 18, 2007
    Jesse McMahon was of course the father of Vince McMahon Senior, and grandfather of the current Czar of World Wrestling Entertainment. It took a long time for black champions to come to the fore in Vince Jr.'s WWF and WWE, and I think they may still be relatively few and far between. They didn't even have a black singles champion until Ahmed Johnson (Tony Norris) got the Intercontinental Title in 1996. (And promptly gave an interview to McMahon where he decried rampant discrimination in McMahon's company, and the industry in general. Ron Simmons had obtained the WCW Title four years earlier.)

    What the McMahon brothers did to squelch Johnson-Jeanette in 1912 leads me to wonder if their descendants continue to carry on a family tradition now over a century old. The success of performers of African descent in that business has lagged far behind the success of such athletes in many competitive sports. (Of course I realize we're not discussing a competitive sport here, and market forces are something of a consideration, but it seems to me that a world title could have been credibly placed on Bobo Brazil or Ernie Ladd decades before Simmons got the honor of being the first.)