Jon Jones only hope is for the champ to not be 100%... otherwise he faces this....

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by Bill Butcher, Feb 12, 2011.


  1. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s57W5pFJp0Q[/ame]

    This man is a fkn killer !!!!
     
  2. horst

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    I agree, 100%.

    Beating up Matt "The Hammer" Hamill and grandad Matyushenko is not the same as facing the ****ing monster that tore up the greatest MMA tournament in history.

    Jones has never taken punishment or felt pressure.

    And Shogun is most definitely the wrong man to introduce him to these aspects of MMA.
     
  3. yaca you

    yaca you Someone past surprise Full Member

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    well said.... prepare for the flames!
     
  4. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    Unlike those before him, Shogun doesn't freeze at a punch or a take down or a stuffing of a takedown. He is also a young phenom so pressure is absolutely nothing to him. Plus, no matter what your size or style, Rua doesn't blink at the obstacle. Big as Overeem or tricky as Machida - he is coming to **** you up!

    Everything I've stated are not opinions, they are facts proven time and time again.

    A fit and healthy Rua angry for 25 mins doesn't help anyone and with the way he fights even if you are there late in the fight - you will be HURTING!
     
  5. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Prime Rua no contest at all. This current version. Very much 50/50 with the odds stacked in Jones favor because of Rua's mileage.
     
  6. horst

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    :huh Is this guesswork based on Rua's lay-off, or did you actually see any evidence of Rua being greatly diminished in the Machida rematch?
     
  7. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Rua's knee's are shot. He's had multiple surgery's on both knee's. Physically he's body's been spent for a long time. What we saw in Machida Rua was just a clash of styles whereby Machida wasn't able to handle Rua's aggression.
    Rua's long lay off coupled with his knee injurys in my opinion doesnt bode well at all vs a young hungry up and coming unique talent like Bones.
    Realistically the facts are Rua has looked average since coming to the UFC. He was beaten by Griffin. And looked very average vs Coleman and Liddell who were both has beens. As much as id like to believe, the Shogun of the PRIDE 2005 GP is long gone. Aggresive Muay Thai styles like that never have much longevity.
     
  8. horst

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    I think there's a lot of speculation in there, as logical as it may be. Rua looked superb in the Machida fights, and those were his most recent outings. I'd say the Rua of the Griffin & Coleman fights is long gone, and that the evidence of his last two suggest he is back on the road to 2005 form. (this may be wishful thinking, but we will soon see)
     
  9. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Speculation? Those are the FACTS. You can be as optimistic as you like. But when you've been under the knife numerous times for knee injury's the fat lady is singing. The same happened to Mark Coleman and he was never the same.
    If Rua can do what he did consistently as he did vs Machida il become a believer. But the facts are he has not. He only has ONE significant win.
     
  10. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Have to disagree with some of this.... Griffin & Coleman fought a Shogun badly short of fitness.... I also thought he looked very very smooth vs Liddell, he looked to have his old sharpness & rythme back, it was his reflexes & timing in this fight which made me pick him vs Machida WITH NO HESITATION & I was called some names because of it but I bided my time because I was sure the old Shogun was back & told them to watch & learn, sadly most still never believed until after fight 2... now they are doing the same again with this Jon Jones ****.

    You say Rua-Machida was a clash of styles were Machida couldnt handle Rua`s aggression but both fights were entirely different... the 1st fight saw Shogun fight a patient fight & outpoint (in reality) Machida, he was aggressive in spots but wouldnt sustain it & would go back to the chess match type fight (which was supposed suicide vs a talent like Machida but in reality showed just how well rounded, adaptable & damn right good Rua is when 100%)

    The rematch was Rua going all out like he used to in Pride & you are right, Machida couldnt handle the aggression even tho his own great ability to take Rua down kept himself from being steamrolled right away, obviously Rua caught up to him eventually & justice was done in the best possible way but my points ar valid... nothing in Rua`s last 3 fights tells me he is inferior to the Rua of Pride, if anything he`s a bit more aware defensively while still the same lethal killer in attack.
     
  11. horst

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    How exactly are these comments "FACTS"? :huh

    Of course they are speculation.

     
  12. WATERBOY

    WATERBOY I Worship Steven Tucker Full Member

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    love that hl i aint seen it for ages nice 1 butcher!
     
  13. sugarngold

    sugarngold RIDDUM Full Member

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    I think Rua has regained his mojo since the loss to TUF winner Forest Griffin in his debut UFC fight. He certainly looked to be back to one hundred percent in the Machida fights.

    However styles make fights and there's not a single individual in that video package that presents the grappling challenge that Jon Jones poses in the ring due to his sheer athleticism, strength and size. Jon Jones isn't another overmatched Japanese gumby fighter.

    The opportunity to remind everyone that he is the best in the world by crushing Jon Jones is right in front of him. Let's hope Shogun has worked out whatever issues he was having that were keeping him from performing at peak levels according to some.
     
  14. PH|LLA

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    I just hope that if Jones wins people won't churn out too many excuses and will give him credit.

    I think Rua has a good chance of winning this fight but odds are Jones takes it.
     
  15. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    In hindsight, even foresight, we should have seen that Ruas poor performance are always a result of not being 100%.

    Fighters in the UFC should be ever so happy that he isn't allowed to stomp their heads in!