Jones and Hopkins- where do they belong among ATGs?

If Hopkins beats Pascal, they are about the same level, just inside top 35.

 

Both top 40-50 for me with Hopkins slightly edging him out.

And the whole "because he's black" thing makes no sense. The highest regarded fighters of all time are Robinson, Ali, Louis, Armstrong, Pep (white), Moore, Saddler, Leonard. Off top of the head, but I'd say a fair guess as average top 8 all time. 7 are black.

 

Hopkins deserves credit for longevity, but beating Pascal cmon, Pascal only has one decent name on his resume in Diaconu and lost to the limited Carl Froch

 

You forgot Dawson on his resume....little detail..

 

I didnt forget Dawson, but could never understand the hype around him. He was heavily praised for beating 2 fighters 14-15 years older than him, one who has losses in double figures, both who normally lose when stepped up, and had even split fights between them (Tarver & Johnson).

 

Roy should definetly be top 50 at least,in his prime he was pretty much unbeatable,his legacy has took a major battering since the weight loss from heavy and should of retired at that time,but Hopkins i'd say top 75 ish,mainly down to his craft and getting good wins when he looked like he was fading,would love to see him go out on a high and beat pascal

 

Jones drops another 10 places every year he stays active at this rate, and is well out of the top 100 ATG as a result I'm afraid.

Hopkins should have stopped after pavlik, he just edges into the top 80 but the execution he is going to recieve off of pascal is going to put a full stop to his legacy and probably leave him around 90-100 when the dust settles.

For what its worth I predict Pascal will end his career as a top 50 ATG.

 

Both top 50 with Jones on top, never made a list (not good enough) but would have RJJ around 25-30? and Hopkins 30-35?

 

Jones: 25-35.

Hopkins: 35-45.

 

Jones is great and got me into the sport but each time i here someone refer to him as the best ever, my brain dies a little.

 

top 50 hopkins slightly ahead of jones based on longevity

 

Prime Roy beats prime Hopkins without loosing 2 rounds.

 

Don´t know where I´d rank them but I know that right now I´d put Hopkins slightly above Jones.