Jones Jr, Hopkins, Toney. Rate these 3 as H2H fighters.

Not great on either of these three, but Judah was slipping at that time wasn't he and also best at 140? And it wasn't like Baldomir was better against common opponents was it? Judah actually did slightly better against Floyd, I'd say.

Don't know anything about when and under what circumstances Baldomir beat Clottey, so can't say anything about that.

But of course it happens all the time that fighters lose to lesser fighters when they are themselves past their prime. Sometimes they even lose to lesser fighters in their prime. But I can't think of any fighter who I think is better than someone of the same size who outclassed him peak for peak in an important fight and also beat several common opponents with significantly more ease.

 

Don't know these, but did Britt outclass Erne at his peak and were they of the same size? And were Erne in his prime when he met the opponents that Britt performed better against and were the opponents in their prime on both occasions?

In that case why why do you consider Erne better?

No, Pac and Floyd is not at all similar.

First of all I strongly disagree that everyone consider Floyd superior. Don't even know that the majority does. I personally think it can be argued both ways.

Second, Pac didn't do better against common opposition over all. Yes, he beat some fighters with greater ease than Floyd, but of greater importance is that Floyd easily beat Pac's nemesis JMM.

Third, Floyd comfortably beat Pac. Sure, Pac is the naturally smaller fighter and was arguably further past his prime, but that doesn't mean that everyone totally disregard this win for Floyd.

So I don't see at all how this compares to Roy not only doing better against several common opponents but also not doing worse against a single one, plus outclassing Toney as opposed to losing to him.


Tbh, I actually thought you were going to go the opposite way. That many consider Pac superior to Floyd despite losing to him.

 

Yeah, I was gonna say, the Pac/Floyd debate is pretty much split right down the middle and likely always will be. For good reason.

 

Well, I agree with that. I figure most would. Just not in this case.

 

Judah reckons he was robbed against Baldomir. I've never watched all the fight in full but he might have a point if I can ever be bothered to watch it all. But Judah was landing the cleaner stuff from what I have watched

Also does Clottey beat Margarito who he won the first 4 rounds against if Margarito doesn't have THOSE handwraps?

 

Ok, I see.

No, not anyone I'd go that far with if we're talking prime versions. I think past prime Toney would do better against Tarver in a trilogy than past prime Roy did, though. And Glenn Johnson and quite a few others probably.

That I agree with, as stated earlier.