Jones, Toney, Hopkins, Calzaghe - ATG list

All good posts.


Too bad they were made to a ****ing idiot ... the number of crap non-athletes on ESB that can't differentiate good from great but like to post about boxing is unparalleled - land of the dumbasses.

 

Hopkins also has losses by split, & UD, also and a draw with Mercado, and alot of his big wins (not all) were against smaller opposition

 

Thank You. :good

 

Jones will be ranked first. He had the better skills and he beat both Hopkins and Toney.

Second place would belong to Hopkins.

 

Said it before i will say it again, i dont think Joe Calzaghe is technically good enough to beat either of them.

Can you imagine Calzaghe squaring himself up and swinging for the fences against Toney,Jones,Hopkins the way he did against Mitchell? Joe was dropped in both fights with Jones & Hopkins and got nailed with the right hook/hand throughout his career, even Kessler managed to nail him good with uppercuts coming in.

I just dont think Joe Calzaghe can beat a technically sound elite fighter in their prime!, Joe Calzaghe never fought a diverse amount of styles in his career either imo.

 

1. Bernard Hopkins- Longest Reigning Middleweight Champion and former Light Heavyweight Champion and won the Middleweight Championship Series. 3 out of his 5 losses are pretty questionable(I had him winning both Taylor fights and the Calzaghe fight I had him winning 114-113). Notable Victories: Felix Trinidad, Antonio Tarver, Kelly Pavlik, Glen Johnson

2. Roy Jones Jr.- I am willing to switch this with Bernard Hopkins, captured belts in 4 weight classes and amassed 51 victories before his first (legit) defeat against Antonio Tarver. He was the undisputed (lineal?, better than Erdei that record padding putz) Light Heavyweight Champion where he unified the WBC, WBA, IBF, WBF, IBO, IBA, and NBA titles. Notable Victories: John Ruiz(Heavyweight Title), Antonio Tarver, Bernard Hopkins, James Toney

3. Joe Calzaghe- Longest reigning Super Middleweight Champion and former Light Heavyweight Champion. He retired with a 43-0 record. He is lucky to be in this company and I wouldn't have much problem kicking him to 4, but he did beat the two guys at the top of the list though both were past their primes by about 9 years. Notable Victories: Jeff Lacy, Mikkel Kessler, Roy Jones Jr., Bernard Hopkins

4. James Toney- This guy is as old school as they got, he has won 72 fights. Toney is a strage case as he won the Middleweight, Super Middleweight, and Cruiserweight IBF titles, but lost some fights he shouldn't have and had his Heavyweight title win over John Ruiz taken away for taking PEDs. Toney did lose to Roy Jones in a IBF Super Middleweight Title Defense. Notable Wins: Visaly Jirov(Crusierweight Title), Michael Nunn, Reggie Johnson, Rydell Booker.

 

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I think Hopkins surpassed Jones with his win over Pavlik but I wouldn't argue with people having Jones higher. Those two are interchangable and clearly above the other two. Well, Toney has the better wins but also some embarassing losses Joe C. doesn't have. About equal too with a slight edge to James.

 

Jones

 

I pretty much agree with this. A 168 pound 'super 4' tournament in all their respective primes would have been something to behold.

 

No it's pretty much bull****. DM was stripped of the WBA belt because the WBA didn't want to have anything to to with the WBO. And wih he IBF because they wnated him to defend the title in 30 days after winning it.
Fact is Jones just won titles other men got stripped of. You can' be the champ when you don't beat the champ.

 

coulda, woulda, shoulda :deal

Blame Joe!

 

Just stop and think about the what you just posted.

The WBA wants NOTHING to do with the WBO champion so it sanctions a fight with the WBO champion???

How does that make sense?

It doesn't.

DM had a choice between William Guthrie, the winner of Del Valle and Smulders or I believe Nicky Piper.

He chose Nicky Piper.

So yeah, you can be the champ, when the other guy won't fight anyone in the top ten. He loses the right to call himself champ at that point.


All of your excuses for why DM fought Jones leftovers are that, excuses.

No one considers Dm an all time great. EVERYONE who has even an inkling of unbiased boxing knowledge considers Jones to be on.

END OF STORY.


Keith