Jones, Toney, Hopkins, Calzaghe - ATG list

So do we disregard his still, talent and achievements (and at other times in his career, dedication) because of this?

 

I dont see how discipline in training is such a deciding factor in the greatness of a fighter.

If you think Calzaghe's skill or achievements are greater than make your case.

But to dismiss Toney as being unworthy by just calling him fat and lazy...

 

what i mean is both calzaghe and toney let themselves down.

toney had the talent but not the self-discipline.

joe had the talent but preferred a steady cash flow to finding out how good he was.

calzaghe's achievements certainly weren't greater.
but both fighters never took their careers seriously for completely different reasons.

doesn't bother me who ranks higher really.
i just think it's a waste in both of their cases since most fighters would give their testicles to have half the opportunity and talent these guys had.

 

1. Jones
2. Hopkins

3. Calzaghe
4. Toney

 

Jones should be at the top of the list. The only difference between Hopkins career and Calzaghe's is that Hopkins beat up a lot of big name smaller fighters, so I have them about equal. I would say that after Jones, Toney was one of the most gifted athletes on this list, but all those wasted years on ESPN hurt his standing. If this list was just based on best wins then I would have Jones =Toney, Calzaghe and Hopkins are about the same.

 

Jones
Hopkins


Toney

Calzaghe

 

To all the Toney bashers, you guys are simply stupid, i mean yes he is a dick but the man is one hell of a genius in the ring. if he keep in as good shape as he was skill wise I don't see him losin to Jones or Peter

 

Hopkins
RJJ
Calzaghe
Toney

 

Jones
Toney
Hopkins





Calzaghe

 

Hopkins
Calzaghe
Jones
Toney

based on resume and legacy.

 

Calzaghe
Hopkins
Toney


Glass Jawed Jones.

 

How the **** do fighting unknown bums, Left hook Lacy, ancient Hopkins and Kesler (who was beaten much easier by Ward.)? give Calzaghe better legacy than Jones and Toney have

 

Calzaghe will have the distinction of being undefeated which is why Mayweather is scraping and clawing to maintain that unblemished record.

 

you could say the same about jones fighting bums, and coming from somebody with a toney avatar iam not even gonna explain why toney is at the bottom of the list because your bias wont let you understand.

its not always who you fought but when you fought them. what so haglers win over mugabi wasent good because the beast went on a slide after the loss?