Jones, Toney, Hopkins, Calzaghe - ATG list

no it's the other way around.
it would have been great if they fought, but if you want to fight the man you go and earn it - you don't sit in europe saying you got 'ducked' (which is what usually ends up being said).

why should jones give a free ticket to a fighter who never wanted to be known in the US and that's why he never got a jones fight?

 

Statistically, with 80 fighters getting ranked 8-10 should be in the list not two.

Jones would DEFINITELY be in my top 10 lt heavies. He was the man at the division for 7 years. He would be around 4 or 5.

I agree that Hopkins would be around 5 at middle.

I don't think Jones legacy suffers really at all for not fighting DM. He tried to make the fight happen, they guy wouldn't do it outside of Germany, and Jones beat the same competition in a much more dominating fashion. There is very little doubt Dm would have been able to beat Jones as Jones had him beat in every category. Speed, defense, punch assortment, stamina, and even POWER.


And the endo of Jones career is no worse than a lot of great fighter. Ezzard Charles had a much more humiliating end to his career than Jones is having. I don't hold a fighter fighting way past his prime against them.


And still in the end, even though you refuse to acknowledge it, Jones beat Hopkins, and beat him convincingly.


Keith

 

let me repeat what i've said a few times already today :

a fighter is judged by WHO he fought and WHEN.
it's that simple.

titles and the term 'undefeated' are cheapened in boxing and don't mean the same as other sports for reasons you should already know.

 

If you count Calzaghe as the lineal champion at lt heavy, you have to count Jones as well.


Beside the "lineal" title card is the biggest bull**** agrument int he boxing game right now.



Keith

 

again, you're talking about a fighter who kept a distance from mainstream boxing by never being known overseas.

ali and frazier didn't have the variable of one of them keeping himself on the outer by staying out of the limelight.

 

Dm was the man for about a month. then he started dumping belts to fight bums. If that's your idea of "the man" so be it. Besides Jones was lt heavy champ BEFORE Dm ever won a major title.

Keith

 

historians do not judge this as an important fight in terms of legacy - stop putting words in people's mouths.

 

He had the WBo belt, which wasn't even recognized by anything other than the WBO. Thus no major title. Jones being the best fighter inthe division had the WBC belt.

Dm then beat Hill, refused to pay any title fees to the WBA and was stripped. Dm was supposed to fight the winner of Eddy Smulders and Lou Del Valle, a fight that was taking place in Aachen Germany, in order to hype them up as DM's next opponent. Dm want no part of that and gave up the belt. Del Valle and Smulders fought that September for the vacant title instead of an eliminator fight.

All Dm had to do was sign to fight Guthrie and he would have had en extension. But you see, Guthrie was knocking fools out at the time. So Dm dropped that one too.

20 years from now, only complete losers will be talking about Dm. Jones went on to work Hill far worse than Dm did, and clean out the division while Dm was regulated to fighting Jones leftovers and once beatens. Eventually losing his title to a guy Jones whitewashed a year previously.

Jones legacy is not hurt anymore than not fighting William Guthrie. Dm wanted no part of it, dumped belts and made a good living fighting in Germany. It was a great business move on Dm's part, but it doesn't affect Jones in the least. As you might have notices, every magazine website and publication had Jones NUMBER ONE in the division and Pound for Pound.

You are on a small island with only Dm fans with you on this one.

Good night.


Keith

 

And in 20 years no one will give two squirts of **** that Jones didn't get it on with a WBO belt holder.


Keith