Jones v Hagler @ MW

I appreciate that Marvin was past his best in 87. But even so, the fight tells me that Marvin would always have had issues with Ray and Roy's movement.

 

This.

He never looked better at MW.

 

So can we assume from that then, that for the 7 and a half years from McCallum to Tarver 2 Jones was either extremely lucky, or his opponents were all shyte? Seeing as you are stating that the 6 fights over 2 years he had at 168 were his best.

 

Hagler wins, possibly by late stoppage.

 

I agree with the great speed and reflexes completely, but you are highly over rating his skill, and power.

I don't even think really big punchers like Benn, McClellan, or Jackson had the power to deter Hagler from coming forward, never mind Jones. I certainly don't believe Jones hit any harder at 160 than Tommy Hearns did, and when he nailed Hagler, it just made him angrier and more determined to hit back harder.

As I said if , and its a big if, he was to win it would be by hitting and running, or trying to tie Hagler up when he got close, and I don't think Jones can do that for 12 rounds.

 

so I take it RJJ wins this one?:smooch

 

Well you have certainly put the kiss of death on any chance he might have had by picking him. That's for sure.:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

 

logic says its a mismatch here as usual ,you cant even decipher when a fighter or why a fighters prime and point of time is relevant to comparing match ups yet and you claim you have followed boxing how long?

 

Hard to say.

The middleweights from the two eras were essentially different weight classes on account of the change of weigh-in rules.

Marvin's 67 fights were all contested at the 160 class with same day weigh-in, meaning he probably entered the ring around 163-165.

In Roy's MW days, 160 the day before would result in fighting weights in the 170-175 weight range.

This would have been close to what Michael Spinks weighed when Marvin was fighting, and I don't think Marvin ever had any appetite to move up and challenge Spinks for the LHW title, though it was talked about.

Given that Marvin was probably a better and tougher boxer, I'm guessing that he thought the size difference would be too much of a problem.

(Then again, he might just have been content to stay a dominant MW)

So the Roy of Tate would have been quite a bit bigger than Marvin, maybe too big.

But aside from that, p4p and h2h, I think Roy was in a different class. His speed and athleticism would have been a major issue for Hagler, even if size weren't an issue.

The chin issues that folks seem to dwell on were in no way evident till Tarver 2, when Roy was well past prime, and had boiled down two weight divisions from HW to LHW at age 35, two years beyond where Marvin had retired for keeps. There were no chin issues ant MW or SMW for Jones.

Could Roy have gotten down to 160 for a same day weigh-in ?

He did box at next day weigh-in 154 lbs at the fully grown age of 22, so maybe.

Whether he could or not, I think that any version of Marvin has little chance against the 'Tate' Roy or any later version of under 35 Roy.

 

And vice-versa...