Jones vs. Pavlik at 168

YES!

Jones at his worst is still light years ahead of Pavlik ... he's been doing this for a long time ... he's still more athletic ... he's still faster ... he still has more ryhthm ... just because Jones has fell off a bit still doesn't take away from him being a better fight.

I think Jones and Hopkins are still in the same mold in the twilight of their careers ... both are hestitant to pull the trigger but are still very skilled. Hopkins may be a bit more defensive minded but Jones still has savvy and experience.

 

You guys have to remember that Jones is still a good fighter, yeah he's lost but he's not perfect.

He only has 4 (true) losses on his record and those are to some damn dangerous fighters. He was so far ahead of the game that even during his incline he's still better than 85% of the fighters at or around his weight class.

 

Exactly...If were talking Roy of the past (per say 5-6 years ago) then Roy no douobts TKO Pavlik, but Roy of today is done as being a top guy of a division....Many are letting a shot Lacy cloud their judgement (and I'm a fan of Roy)

Sorry, I just dont see Roy beating Pavlik today...Pavlik will just walk him down outwork him or tko him late.

 

Only thing that has changed is his age ... Roy might be on the downside of his career but he's still dangerous and depending on who he fights, he will keep winning.

If he steps up and fights Pavlik ... he will win ... UD ... just based off his skill alone ... Pavlik doesn't have enough big fight experience to handle Jones ... he's just getting his feet wet and he will find himself stuck just like he was against Hopkins. That left jab will get countered with a hard right hand and at the end of the day Pavlik will be hestitant on throwing that jab ... with no jab,there's no right hand.

 

The Jones that fought Tarver and Johnson was both physically and psychologically unfit. He did not have his hand speed, he only had the endurance to throw one punch at a time, he was afraid of being knocked out by Tarver in the 3rd fight. In the fight with Johnson he had no legs and only could throw 1 punch at a time. He did not even have his left hook against Johnson.

Also he fought Johnson too soon after being knocked out, he was not ready to take punches. I think thats the only reason he got knocked out by Johnson because if you look carefully he is hit in the exact same spot on the head that Tarver had knocked him out.

The Roy Jones against lacy did not get tired like the Jones who fought Tarver 3 times. He had all of his punches and he had enough footwork to knock out Lacy if he wanted to. Jeff Lacy is very much like Glen Johnson in styles, the difference is that Glen Johnson is more technically skilled.

Finally the most important factor is that Jones has his power back. When he fought Johnson and Tarver he did not have enough power to win their respect, they knew he was weight drained and it looked like Jones couldn't even stun them. If they were to fight now it seems like Jones is settled into the weight enough to knock either one of them out. The fact that he can knock them out is the key difference which would allow Jones to beat either one of them.

Even if he just knocks them down, that would be enough to pull ahead on points and win the fight. That is why this Jones could beat some of the top guys, especially Dawson who I'm convinced would panic if he were seriously hurt and I think Jones has the power to knock him out. This would make Dawson fight an entirely different fight and lower his punch output to Jones advantage in the same way Dawson couldn't deal with Johnsons power and had to fight a different fight.

And I will also say that Jones could have beaten Calzaghe if he would have went with a different gameplan. He had him hurt in the first round and when he was stunned he should have attacked Calzaghes body with, but instead he was head hunting and thats just not what you do against a slick boxer with good defense. He had 2 rounds in which he could have attacked Calzaghes hips and body, just to slow him down and turn the fight into a brawl, but he tried to out flash him and out box him. If he would have attacked his body like he did to Lacy, Calzaghe would have slowed down in the later rounds. This is no guarantee that Jones would win, but it would have give Jones a chance at least.

Finally if Taylor could knock down Pavlik, Jones would have knocked Pavlik out cold. I don't see Pavlik being able to deal with Jones power. Not only would Pavliks slow jab be uselessly countered, but I see Pavlik being hurt and knocked down by it just like Calzaghe was, only Pavlik doesn't have the speed of Calzaghe or the footwork and would get knocked down all night. I think Pavlik is less skilled and has less power than Trinidad and we saw what happened to him.

 

People misled by their own biased view often get a reality check. And there are some who just never learn.

 

No he couldn't have. Hopkins is much more cagey then Jones, Jones doesn't have the movement Hopkins has and he is no where near as good in the clinch as hopkins.

 

I see you havent watched Jones vs Lacy. Jones beat Lacy in the clinch and nearly had him out on his feet.

 

The same Lacy that went life and death with Peter Manfredo?? I think anybody can clinch Lacy and make it look easy...Hopkins nullified Pavlik's money punch...I dont think at this stage Jones is on the level of Hopkins.

 

I think Hopkins style is better suit for "old" men. Of course, this is not a style you get by saying "ok i'm gonna do that"...

That being said, i feel its a close fight. Hopkins is not a volume puncher. Jones sure has a chance.

 

I agree for the most part...The only thing that turns me off on Roy fighting Pavlik on how he sits on the ropes and invites you in...I think that will be Roy's downfall in this fight..We all know Pavlik can crack...Pavlik is does good work inside and keeps up at a nice steady pace...I think it will be a close fight which Pavlik may walk away the winner...Yes Roy still has the speed but his legs\movement has slipped big time.

With that being said...I just hope Roy hangs them up...I hate to see messing his brain up...He's on of my favorites and I hate to see him punch drunk.atsch

 

Should have retired years ago. I still really enjoyed his Saturday's performance. BUt you are spot on with the ropes thing. Seeing Jones inviting Pavlik in the corner would make me say :nono

 

Pavlik's image is in a down-ward spiral and has been so since the Hopkins fight.

It is Kelly's own fault for not getting back on the horse asap. People still think about the Hopkins fight and Pavlik's image goes down and down every day. He needs to fight a credible fighter asap. And he should never have been so scared and defensive for so long after the Bernard fight. It is ruining even his own fans' belief in him.

 

I don't know. I think Jones would win at 170 but at 168 I'm not sure.
I think despite his hight Pavlik is best at 160. He got beat by Hopkins and barely beat taylor at 168. On the other hand I don't think Jones could make 168 anymore.

 

ok...2 pounds Jones win?:think