Jones vs. Toney = Pacquiao vs. Mayweather?

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  1. Windigo

    Windigo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The only real similarity. That is a huge ****ing similarity. Your trying to brush off the significant as insignificant for lack of a better argument. Fights really dont get anymore similar than that.

    I don't know what to say other than :lol::lol::lol::rofl:rofl:rofl. Yeah Marquez is such a defensive genius. Every time I watch him its like Sweatpea II.
     
  2. Foxy 01

    Foxy 01 Boxing Junkie banned

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    Well make your bleeding mind up. You just started a thread telling us how great his footwork was.

    Oh. I get it, you're just another Pacturd.
     
  3. drenlou

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    pacquaio is no jones:rofl:rofl:rofl if youre going to compare a fight tarver vs jones is a possible comparison but guess what.....jones at that time is no floyd...:hi:
     
  4. Stylez G.

    Stylez G. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Mayweather and Marquez are both intelligent counterpunchers. Marquez used an economical punch output and hit Pacquiao over and over again with the right hand. He also seemed to be able to time Pacquiao's left hand. Mayweather is a superior defensive fighter to Marquez, and has a better straight right hand. I'm not sure how those aspects are insignificant but the fact that both Toney and Mayweather utilize a shoulder role is hugely significant(keep in mind that Mayweather doesn't even shoulder role much against lefties)
     
  5. Windigo

    Windigo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Quicker than Toney Toney had the more technically correct footwork but Jones was too quick for him.
     
  6. Windigo

    Windigo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Isn't that way more shallow of ****ogous model?
     
  7. Stylez G.

    Stylez G. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Your comparison is shallow. The only similarities you have between Mayweather and Toney is the shoulder roll defense, a defensive tactic that Mayweather doesn't even use that frequently against lefties. The speed gap you're trying to propose exists between Mayweather and Pacquiao is exaggerated as well.
     
  8. thewoo

    thewoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    this fight is nothing like jones jr vs toney. For starters jones also had a great defemse and he wasn't giving up a massive reach advantage. he could snipe at toney from the outside wheras pacquiao will have to figure out a way to get inside. He was also a 25 year old in his prime wheras manny is way past his best. this fight won't be close. I just hope that all the people that think that manny has a chance give Floyd his due respect when he dominates him and don't try to come up with excuses.
     
  9. drenlou

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    this^^^^
     
  10. Windigo

    Windigo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nobody gives a **** what you or your alts think.
     
  11. Windigo

    Windigo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He "could" but the didn't. Watch the ****ing video. He out maneuvered Toney and pounded away at mid and close range from superior angels.

    "Could" doesn't mean **** when after the fact that isn't what happened. There is did and did not. There is no could.
     
  12. JMotrain

    JMotrain Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Damn, I forgot how good (and fast) Roy was in his prime. I still remember watching his KO of Glen Kelly live and not believing how he knocked him out.

    As for the comparison, I don't really see it. Jones was throwing shots and than stepping to the side. As one of the commentators said, he never stood directly in front of Toney. I don't think that is Pacquaio. He comes in at odd angles (meaning it is hard to counter him as he gets close) but he doesn't attack and get out.

    Jones really put on a masterful performance against Toney. However, once he lost his speed, he went from a great fighter to merely just good. It is kind of how I see both Pacquaio and Mayweather today (although not as shot as RJJ). They both are still very good but not presently great.
     
  13. drenlou

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    You just get mad bcuz i know more about the sport then you ever will...:deal...Get familiar with boxing dude, theres youtube and all that stuff. you can learn you just have to be willing to put in "The Hard Work And Dedication", OH shiet, why does that sound so familiar?:think
     
  14. Real-G

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    There are a lot more differences, in Jones vs Tony fight then the pending Floyd vs pac.

    Biggest difference is that Jones and Tone where young men in their 20s.
    Second Tony had a bad habit of abusing his body,when not in the gym and gaining lots of weight eating Burger King food.

    Those two statement should put some major distance between the fighter. Jones, Floyd and Pac stay in shape, Toney did not. Jones and Tony where young men in their 20s when the fought, pac and Floyd are about to fight in their late 30s..
     
  15. Windigo

    Windigo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Is that really a difference? What we are talking about here is a difference in foot speed. Jones being too quick for Toney to keep him in the pocket. Is age really that important for this ****ogous model?


    A childish attempt to spoil the argument trying to conflate the old fat Toney with this Toney who was prime.

    Nope you are just reaching for some argument you can use to avoid the point. You are hoping that you can throw enough red herrings out there that you can claim the ****ogy isn't valid rather than address the primary issue.

    This is a common tactic amongst stupid people who know that they have no argument. When a valid ****ogy is brought forth do everything you can to dismiss the validity of the ****ogy rather than address the point.