Jones vs Tyson 2003

I think its definitely plausible that Roy could have beaten the versions of Mike who fought Williams and McBride in 2004 and 2005.

We just don't know if Mike would have been in that same mindset against Roy in 2003.

In 2003, Roy was 34 years of age and he'd fought 50 times.

Only a huge, mega money fight was going to keep him there.

Tarver had already been his mandatory in 2000, and he'd dogged him all year. He even crashed the post fight press conference against Ruiz.

Tarver wasn't virtually unknown to the hardcore fans of the sport.

Also, Roy and Mike did meet with each other in the hope of making a fight in 2004.

 

No version of Jones ever beats Tyson. Its laughable to even suggest such. Tyson would go through Glass Jaw Roy like a hot knife through butter.

 

You are oversimplifying things.

Regarding James Douglas, everything was set up in 1998, but his dad stepped in and talked him out of it. He actually said that he wouldn’t allow him to go through with it. He said that he was too big for Roy. And at the time, it was the first time they’d spoken to each other in 6 years. Afterwards, Roy then enquired about fighting Evander Holyfield. Evander’s former attorney, Jim Thomas states that in his 2005 book which covered their time together. They met in Atlanta with Roy’s advisor. At the time, Evander thought that he was in a no win-situation, so no specifics were ever discussed. But Evander told him that he would be interested if Roy achieved something at the weight. Then in 2003, after Roy’s win over John Ruiz, Jim Thomas met Don King and Roy’s advisor, Murad Muhammad in the hope of making a fight for the summer. But Thomas states that both King and Muhammad wanted too much of a percentage, and that King wouldn’t pay Evander money which was owed to him from a previous fight. Which is why that Evander went on to fight James Toney instead for a lesser purse.

Regarding Roy’s weight for the Ruiz fight, the official recording for the fight was 193 pounds. But Mackie Shilstone, who’d helped Roy prepare for the fight, complained to Marc Ratner of the N.S.A.C. saying that the scales hadn’t been calibrated properly. Shortly after Roy had stepped on the scales, Roy’s trainer, Alton Merkerson got into an altercation with Ruiz’s trainer, Norman Stone. Merkerson hit him and they both fell off of the platform. So at a later time, Marc Ratner returned so Roy could weigh-in again. And at the second weigh-in, Roy registered 199 pounds with clothes. Ratner then apologised to Mackie Shilstone and they shared a joke. It’s documented on the documentary titled ‘TheSweet Science’ which covered the build up to the fight.

You have said that Roy barely had to cut weight in order to weigh-in for Tarver. But that’s not true. Mackie had him at just under 200 pounds with a very small percentage of body fat. He was solid. You can see that in the fight. He had to burn muscle in order to get back to 175. And he did it in only a few months. The Tarver fight was signed in September, and they fought on November the 8th. At the time of the contracts being signed, Roy still had his physique from the Ruiz fight, as he’d been negotiating with Holyfield, before then briefly mulling over a fight with Corrie Sanders. If you watch the Tarver fight you can see that he was absolutely exhausted. There were no excuses for his performance. The weight loss was a huge factor. In the rematch, he was just caught with a perfect shot.

Regarding Lennox Lewis, Lewis didn’t take Roy’s win over Ruiz serious, and yes, he would have been up for fighting Roy. But the Vitali fight changed that. Before the Vitali fight, he spoke of possibly fighting another 2-3 times. But after the Vitali fight his opinion changed. The whole boxing world wanted to see a rematch against Vitali, but as we know, it sadly never happened. He decided to retire early in 2004. And a few years later, he publicly declared that his mother, Violet and talked him out of fighting again.

Roy didn’t just run straight back to LHW with no intentions of ever fighting at HW again.

 

I think it’s plausible that the Ruiz version of Roy could have beaten the end of career versions of Mike who didn’t even want to fight.

Even a 90’s version of Mike would have bodied Williams and McBride on the same night.

 

Roy has good upper body movement and he still has fast hands. Very fast for a man of his age, size and weight. But he lost his legs a very long time ago. Everything comes from the legs. He’s so vulnerable without them.

 

He didn’t drop 15 pounds in 9 months.

He rushed the weight off in 2 months.

Burning muscle is a lot different to burning fat.

Again, go and watch the Tarver fight. It wasn’t fought at a really fast pace. Yet Roy was absolutely exhausted. The weight loss was a huge factor. And it also affected Chad Dawson, Antonio Tarver and Chris Byrd when they burnt muscle too.

 

Correct.

 

He wasn’t naturally 160, and again, he didn’t have months to lose the weight.

 

He didn’t run away. He wanted mega money to stay there, but the fights weren’t there for him.

Every HW has a punch.

Ruiz had more than enough power to have knocked him out.

Any HW could have knocked him out, but they’d have needed the opportunity.

 

Ruiz wasn’t feather fisted.

He was a world class, 230 pound HW.

Do you think Glen Johnson hit harder than John Ruiz?

The weight loss took a lot out of him.

Chris Byrd was knocked out by Shaun George when he dropped back to LHW.

I also find it funny when people claim that Roy somehow had a china chin. Although nobody would ever claim that he had a great chin, apart from his knockout to Johnson, the other knockouts were flush shots against big hitting LHW’s and CW’s, because he left himself open and completely vulnerable. That shot by Tarver would have taken out most LHW’s. Those shots by Enzo and Lebedev would have taken almost any former SMW-LHW out, especially when they were washed up in their 40’s.

 

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