Jones was on the Juice

Seriously, Roy hasn't been semi relevant for years.

Its because of things like this a decade ago:-

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He has been semi relevant in recent times.

 

http://au.askmen.com/sports/fanatic_300/320_drug-testing-could-save-boxing.html

http://sports.terra.com/erik-morale...77b8b1af7897a310VgnVCM4000009bcceb0aRCRD.html

http://www.boxing-monthly.co.uk/content/1007/two.htm

i could keep going but what's the point.

 

why or how is any substance reported? when test is failed, the substance that was detected is released. you're acting like it'd be impossible for the info to be reported because of some big coverup. i think we've made our points. we're just going around in circles now.

 

Those articles state andro positive. Not a test epitest ratio failure. There is a major difference. Where is the source of the info.....sports articles compared to medical research are apples to oranges. The commission paper says an anabolic steroid and cites a 6x the positive result. Scientific research dictates that highly improbable through andro, and impossible through test boosters, the two excuses given. Have you read anything posted, or are you just a media muppet. The science says no, regardless of what espn or their parrot sportswriters say. I could go on at length in a scientific, pharmacology, physiology and substance and hormonal interaction beat down of andro being inlikely to cause a 6x positive result, but the medical papers cited did it already, and there are more than just those. Andro was scheduled because it was a danger to public health, its side effects were detrimental to men, and especially males who were not physically mature yet. It is not an effective PED, and is not effective in heavily altering serum testosterone. Supplement companies claim these results....but you know what, they are generally derived from product testing on lab rats and the results are inferred for human consumption....which are not always right. Human trials proved andro didn`t perform as advertised.

 

http://www.andersenchiro.com/Cutting Edge Compounds -- Androstenedione.htm

http://www.udel.edu/chem/C465/senior/fall00/Performance1/andro.htm.html

this will be my last post on the topic because this is getting old. you say jones may have taken andro and then you say he took real steroids even though andro is considered a real steroid by wada. yes, i get the point that andro is supposedly a shitty steroid but the thing you can't explain away is that other athletes have tested positive for andro. you're saying this is unlikely but i've already given proof in other posts. ask shaunster, he's already seen them.

so it's a fact someone can test positive for andro and this is what jones (and hall) reportedly tested positive for. andro was/is illegal and is considered an anabolic steroid. all of this would seem to fit together but it's roy jones we're talking about here. must be a conspiracy involved.

 

Appreciate the honesty! :good

 

you are missing the key points, which i`ve made abundantly clear;

-yes andro is classified...because of it`s chemical structure.
- yes andro is detectable through metabolites analysis and certain hormonal ratios. and yes athelets took it when it was the new fad supplement. it did little to nothing for performance, which was discovered later.
- no, it cannot raise serum testosterone levels to the point where a 6x greater ratio is the result, as proven by medical studies, and this is what is written on the official report, a failure of test to epitest ratio and use of an anabolic steroid, which andro is not going to be the substance causing that failure, as proven by science. this is the key in the discussion.
- regardless of classification....if a substance cannot medically cause a ratio failure....how can it be the cause of such failure.
- it is a literal impossibility for test boosters to cause that ratio, as proven by science
- andro was used as a cover up story by athletes during it`s heyday because it was legal and was a loophole to avoid suspension. hiding the true identity of the actual steroids they were taking, that actually worked.

so who do you believe....the official report saying a failed ratio, and an anabolic steroid.....or espn and sports journalists parroting the jones camps claims of andro use.

if it is indeed a 6x greater result...it was not likely andro. if it is a positive andro test...then it was andro. which is it.....i`ll go with the co mmission report.

 

last post i promise....i have a life. I love Jones...he was an incredible athlete, fantastic ****ing boxer and seems like a pretty cool guy. His athletic gifts were not from steroids or any PED. He would`ve been ****ing great with or without them....a lot like barry bonds. Did he use them, sure, like lots of other elite athletes and lots of boxers do, but they didn`t make him, and he beat tons of other guys who were using. Steroid denial is a crime, and those who believe that the one`s who get caught are alone in their chemical enhancement are out to lunch because it is commonplace. Scapegoating guys who get caught is bull**** when you consider the culture of high level sport. But truth is truth and he used.

 

All media sources. None official.

 

That post pretty much captures the issue in a nutshell.

 

today someone is on something. jones aint no different

 

Been a really interesting thread this

Juice has handed a severe beatdown via the use of neutral, subjective, irrefutbable scientific facts and enhanced his forum status to that of ESB PED specialist.

kmac on the other hand has further enhanced his reputation as a delusional fanboy that cannot see the wood for the trees due to his obsessive man-love for his idol. This is supported by kmac making up lies to protect Roy and to take the completely obsurd, irrational action of believeing objective sources in preference to official, neutral sources who dealt with the case first hand. kmac has also developed a reputation for being a serial question ducker and a poster that will go off on tangents in a bid to deflect attention away from the glaring holes in his argument. Credit to the other Jones fanboys who dissapeared off this thread long ago when it became clear that it was no longer possible to defend the indefencable.

I've seen many posters on here ruined by such a heavy and embarrassing defeat in debate, so we will get a good idea of kmacs recuperative powers in the coming months as he attempts to salvage what is left of his stained reputation. Good luck to kmac with that but i've got a bad feeling that this thread will inevitably lead to kmac abandoning his current esb identity and beggining a brand new anonymous alter ego account where he can wipe the slate clean.

 

American sport is based on juice.

Can't wait for Lance Armstrong to cry out all his guilt on friday.

Maybe RJJ could book Oprah for next friday! haha

Then we only needs Phelps,Koby,Lebron James and Andre Ward