Jones was on the Juice

Oprah has some big shoulders!

 

this is good. everyone needs to understand this post is from headbanger, a guy who is so ****ing stupid it took him a while to understand that juice was actually on his side. please see page 14 of this thread if you want a laugh. head goes on to offer an apology after he had replied to juice's post by a number of emoticons and people dancing.

i understand head, the words were big and you got confused. i feel i need to try to recap how the debate went down so i'll do my best.

juice said andro no good, you posted dancing, juice said people don't test positive for andro, i said yes they do here's proof, you posted big red letters for attention, juice said well it's possible but not likely, then i said no it's possible here's my proof again, you at this point were very confused, juice then basically said i'm pretty sure it can't be andro that jones tested for (even though he admits he doesn't know how independent testing works and what 6x the limit would be for andro), then juice says there's no way it's andro, then a few posts later juice says it could be andro but not likely, and then juice basically says well i know basically everybody used and the useless shaunster agreed.

your confusion on these boards are evident in many of your posts. like when you said jones was busted in the hall fight by a steroid testing program that started in 2001. never mind that the jones-hall fight took place in 2000. minor detail.

since you have so much trouble here, i'd like to call on everyone else to help you out. so from now on, i'd like all of us to preface our posts with either:

yes, headbanger i am on your side
or
no, headbanger i am not on your side

this way head is able to enjoy the boards like the rest of us. the one thing i will agree with head on is that my recuperative powers on these boards are fading. not because of the debating but because of this right here, having to respond to garbage.

ok, cue the unintelligent, big lettered, name-calling, emoticon response.

 

dude, when they report in the news what fighters tested positive for, they don't list the medical research with it. there is research that says andro does raise testosterone levels and can cause a positive test. this is the reason it's considered a banned substance by wada. i've already posted this as well as proof of other athletes failing drug tests for andro. you and your research say otherwise but i'll go with my proof. here's a couple other sites supporting the raise in testosterone ratio.

http://www.fortitech.com/glossary/androstenedione/
http://www.steroidsrx.com/Articles/Androstenedione_andro.cfm
http://www.rice.edu/~jenky/sports/andro.html

 

sure, i'm mean everyone used, right? jones may have used for every punch in his entire career but you claim to know he used because it's commonplace in sport. this was a chicken **** post and worthy of the other trash on these boards.

 

Stop reading after you called him stupid . You were spot on there is nothing left to say with such irrefutable facts .He and the rest of his girl friends are stupid :good

 

kmac,

I have seen some ownages on ESB before, but your info had steroid "experts" changing their argument..

Well done my friend.

 

Jones wasn't the only one...

 

The thing is, Andro was hugely popular around the time both Hall and Jones were reported to be taking... and what is now known about it wasn't back then, that it wasn't really successful for gaining muscle, but is surely can raise testosterone, and make a positive test, that cannot be denied.

Am I saying that is exactly what happened?? no... But andro is a PED, and is classified as one...

I don't live in the clouds, and I understand the popularity of PEDS have been running rampant in sports and boxing for decades.. The chance that many great fighters used some sort of PED is undeniable.. And I don't think they did it to gain an advantage, but because they know the chances that most have and are.... There was little testing until decently recent...

I just think it is funny that people try to dismiss Roy's greatness and skills because of one false test, but more than likely rate someone very highly that was just never tested, but used PEDs..

 

You make it sound like like using emoticons and gifs of people dancing isn't part of everyday life for a Team Elite General atsch To use emoticons to maximum effect is an art form, especially after 14 or 15 ice cold dandelion and burdocks :yep

Absoloutely delusional and blinkered breakdown, how it went down is that no matter how you twist and turned in this thread, your laughable fanboy excuses were extinguished by irrefutable scientific facts, you resorted to lieing, and then shamelessly ducked a series of relevant questions to go off on tangents to deflect away from the glaring holes in you argument

Wow, quoting a typo, from a thread many moons ago shows you're complete desperation in this thread, this thorough schooling seems to have hit your weak mentality real hard

An example of just one of your fabricated lies in this thread is highlighted below in your desperatly laughable attempt to protect you're idol

Here's another point where you are forced to back track due to you being so desperate to twist to protect you're idol

The real reason you're recuperative powers are fading is because you're a weak poster fighting a losing battle, no amount of bias man-love for your idol will ever change the irrefutable scientific facts, no twist on words from a roy jones fanboy will ever be enough to blinker real fans of the sport.

I will give you one last chance to salvage some pride in this thread by giving you one final attempt to answer just a few of the direct questions you have already ducked from me so far in this thread. Just remember, all of esb is watching, a failure to comply with a direct answer to each question will further ruin you're already laughable credability levels



what year do you think PED testing was introduced into american boxing?

Who was the first american boxer to fail the test for banned steroids on american soil and what year was that?

When they admitted guilt and Jones refused to have his B sample tested at a laboratory of his choice, do you not think Roy's attourney worked out the best damage limitation scenario for Jones?

Do you understand that the Indiana Commisson and the IBF did not have any evidence that Jones took ripped fuel?

Do you not understand that this had a carefully planned damage limitation excuse written all over it via a few leaks to the media?

I want you to tell me why kieran mulvaney would know it was andro but yet the Indiana commissioner and the IBF didn't state it was andro?

I want you to tell me why kieran mulvaney as a source carries more weight in your opinion than the source of the neutral, objective source of the Indiana Commissioner and the IBF?

 

Dropped by to say thanks to all the posters who have contibuted to this thread.
Its been a fascinating read

 

Not really, a cheat is a cheat. Period.

 

Kmac put the smack down up in here!:good

 

Headbanger does have some good points...

I have to say, I don't like the way the testing was done at all with Jones, and I don't like that IBF didn't state what roid Jones was positive with, most tests to my knowledge do..

Regardless, his testosterone levels were too high, and if it was ANDRO doesn't make it ok in my opinion, it is still a steroid, Which has been a huge part of boxing for a while now.. Hell 3 of Roy's opponents have also failed, I am sure there are way more...

What I don't believe is they gave him that many advantages, he was gifted, and would have been great with or without... And who is to know who never took a PED, to assume that we know everything a fighter has taken in their entire career doesn't seem smart to me.

 

Hopefully these questions will get answered before this thread is finished

 

Jesus christ...refer back to the main points and try to have some actual comprehension. You`re misquoting and misrepresenting. I said its not going to cause the reported ratio.....of course its detectable through screening as has been expalined, but it was the ratio officially reported.

Maybe the fact that yes andro is detectable, but not through test to epitest ratios, as was reported by the commission for the failure escapes you. Andro is screened for, but clinical studies suggest it does not affect serum testosterone, so therefore cannot produce a 6x result ratio, but it can have it`s metabolites detected. so a 6x result will not be from andro, but it can be detected through ped screening, which tests much more than test epi test ratios.....test epitest ratio is going to be affected by an anabolic....which andro is clinically proven to be not very effective at altering serum testosterone. it is detectable, but not in the context reported. **** sake man.

How do they deetect clenbuterol, diuretics, peptides, hgh, narcotics....when none of these affect test to epitest ratios....because ped screening only uses that ratio as one of several indicators, along wiht other hormonal ratio analysis, and metabolite analysis. the report says 6x ratio and an anabolic.....which medical research says andro cannot likely produce. the media said andro, the commission said an anabolic with 6x ratio.......which is it....go with the official source.....and by going with the official source......and going with medical study....its not andro.

do you read whats posted and understand it....obviously not. maybe it`s above your head