Jorge Arce vs. Angky Angkotta

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  1. Brickhaus

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    He never actually won a title at flyweight, but he did probably have his best overall run in that weight class which is why it doesn't bother me too much.
     
  2. Gonzarelli

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    Like hell he didn't

    Arce took the Lt Flyweight title from Choi who took it from Chiquita Gonzalez. My point: that was a legit title!
     
  3. Gonzarelli

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    ^^^My post before those two you quoted. I gave him the benefit of a doubt:deal
     
  4. Brickhaus

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    I misread. I meant at flyweight, I see now you said light flyweight. But like I said before, he had a hell of a run at 112, so I don't feel particularly bad about it. But beating Angkota, who he already beat the crap out of once before and has never beaten anyone decent, for a vacant title is BS.
     
  5. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    A great fighter wins a world title belt, but it's only an "interim" world title belt. OK fine, whatever. By definition not as legitimate as...well, an actual non-interim world title bout. It's won from a good opponent, though - and defended several times against good opponents.

    On the other hand, a mediocre fighter wins an actual "legitimate" world title bout (not an interim). He gets it from someone who's a sitting duck, really not a very creditable triumph at all but for the technicality that it awarded them the title. No significant defenses against anyone who's currently relevant at the time.

    The former is not a valid champion for the purposes of tabulation, but the latter is?

    Cornelius Bundrage is more legitimate as a light middleweight champion than Jorge Arce was as a flyweight champion?

    **** that. :lol: I'm sorry. That's craziness.
     
  6. Gonzarelli

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    Agree to a point. It's easier and less illustrious to earn a belt today but it makes winning that belt no more bogus than say Pac winning the vacant 154 belt.
     
  7. Boxed Ears

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    :-( Fairness and reality are not the same things. :bart SRR isn't a lightweight champion because in reality, he never fought for that title, not because he didn't kick the **** out of the lightweight champion. That's why we don't refer to him as a three-division world champion.
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  8. Brickhaus

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    K-9 is more legitimate as a titlist as Arce is at bantamweight. He beat a real titlist in Cory Spinks for his title, and defended it his first time out against a top 15-20 guy in Sechew Powell. The guy Arce beat for the title tonight isn't a top 50 guy in that weight class, plus on top of it Arce beat the crap out of him before. It was a gift.
     
  9. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Did you guys... see that? :yep Powell never quite "showed up" that night. He was there in the flesh, physically...but that's about it.

    Also, the title win over Spinks...come on. Seriously. Come on. Spinks had a good name once. Beating that version of him meant nothing.

    James Toney has a pretty good name built up for himself over his career, too. Guess what, though? Lebedev doesn't get a shred of credit from me for beating that version of him (and I like Lebedev).
     
  10. Gonzarelli

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    Bottom LIne: Arce has won titles at 108, 112, 115, 118 and 122 technically making him a 5 div champ.
     
  11. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Right??

    So his world title of disputed provenance had an "interim" tag on it.

    It was still a world title.

    What's the point of it being called an interim WORLD TITLE if it doesn't count as a WORLD TITLE.

    How is it less valid than a vacant WORLD TITLE?

    They're all just meaningless abstractions, yes?

    Everybody's so dismissive nowadays of pretty much all the belts, what with too many sanctioning bodies...to say nothing of all the Silver/super/regular nonsense.

    If a good fighter beats another good fighter for something called a world title, let that count on that fighter's tally as a valid world title in that division. I mean...why not? It's not like saying "Oh, just call Helenius a world titlist already! He beat Liakhovich for the intercontinental title, but it was a good win...c'MON!!! :hey".

    No, we're talking about someone who won something that was called a WORLD TITLE. Yes, an interim world title. Still a WORLD TITLE nonetheless.
     
  12. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I do agree with Brick that this latest BW title is a bit sketchy, although hey - if Angkotta got himself ranked by the WBO based on a single win over Catubay, that's on them... :conf

    The interim WBC flyweight reign, however - that's legit. I recognize it as such, anyway.