Jorge Barrios to return in the fall. WTF?!!

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  1. christo

    christo Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    If i'm not mistaken, I read on fightnews.com not more than a year ago that former jr lightweight title holder jorge barrios fatally injured motorists
    in a car accident and was officially charged with vehicular homocide. now,
    fightnews announced today that he will be returning this fall in a contest
    in his native argentina. My response is. If you're going to commit a heinous felony, then you might want to consider professional boxing as
    your career path. 1st, James kirkland serves less than a year for firearm
    possession while on parole in a state that makes money off of keeping
    folks locked under the jail, and now barrios muders someone and does a year in club fed. WOW!! At least the harlem hammer is locked away for a
    good long time. Scumbag!
     
  2. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Vehicular manslaughter is tragic but is not a felony, heinous or otherwise. That's because it's a crime of negligence, otherwise the charge would have been murder.

    This is not bad news if he's got anything left. He was always an exciting fighter. It's a shame he never got to mix it up with Valero (talk about a real POS who committed a heinous felony...) or Soto - those would have been special nights.
     
  3. hungover

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    well, Donte Stallwroth hit and killed a construction worker in his car (while drunk, I might add) and he only served a month in jail...
     
  4. nastynas

    nastynas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Barrios didnt commit murder, he commited negligent homicide.
     
  5. Hozumi's Hook

    Hozumi's Hook WHO NECKS!?!? Full Member

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    Murder, manslaughter. Who cares. Fact is, HIS NEGLIGENCE caused somebody to lose their life. LOSE THEIR LIFE.
     
  6. christo

    christo Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    From what i remember from the article I.B. the charges were pretty serious. ESB had numerous threads on how we'd never see barrios
    again, and we hadn't heard anything until today. He was charged w/
    vehicular homocide, not involuntary manslaughter. Big difference. The
    fact that he's out now is an injustice IMO.
     
  7. christo

    christo Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Oh, my bad. You're free to go sir. Court adjourned.:nut
     
  8. nastynas

    nastynas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    People who matter care about that distinction. Negligence is an extremely low standard, nowhere near the culpability required for murder.
     
  9. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    The people who said that were overreacting. The same thing was said of James Kirkland. The only recent high-profile boxer who's been truly well written off due to their sentencing was Ibeabuchi (there may be a couple of others but my sleep-deprived brain is too fried to think of them).

    Vehicular homicide sounds heavier but is in actuality interchangeable with the term "vehicular manslaughter".

    It's like this, at its most boiled down: homicide just means the killing of a person (without informing as to intent or motive). Manslaughter typically covers accidental killing, while murder (in its various degrees) covers intentional killings - premeditated, heat of passion, fits of insanity, etc.

    So homicide is just the broad umbrella term and depending on the context can be interchangeable with either murder or manslaughter - but those two terms themselves are not interchangeable.

    All manslaughters are homicides, and all murders are homicides, but not all homicides are manslaughters...or murders.

    Capice?
     
  10. nastynas

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    Theres a big difference.
     
  11. nastynas

    nastynas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    To put it in perspective:

    1st Degree and Felony Murder- 15+ years in prison
    Vehicular Homicide- 6 pts on your license and the possibility of up to 6 months in jail
     
  12. IntentionalButt

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    I'd be really worried about a society whose judicial system didn't make a strong distinction between manslaughter and murder.

    Obviously senseless premature life-taking is a bad thing under any circumstances and the victim is no less dead whether there was malice behind it. From a legalstandpoint, however - there is and ought to be a line drawn, with extremely different treatment given acccordingly.
     
  13. christo

    christo Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Yes capice. As i knew these things. But c'mon I.B. 1 year? His carelessness took a life, and while it was not premeditated it still
    caused a death. A drunk driver doesn't have intent to kill because he is
    intoxicated, but you can bet if sambo pete henry killed the meter maid
    as he ran him over on the sidewalk while sipping on gin and juice that he
    wouldn't be able to escape with a measley year jail term. I's was drubunk
    yo's honor is my defense. hmmmmmmmm:huh barrios' carelessness was negligent and very preventable, so he stilled "killed" another human being.
     
  14. christo

    christo Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I'm quite sure that's some bull**** you pulled from your arse, sir.

    No disrespect intended, and i'm not calling you a liar. But you are a liar!
     
  15. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    He served a year and has to carry the burden the rest of his life. Whether it's sleepless nights on an institution-issued cot, or sleepless nights in his own bed - that guilt isn't going anywhere. You may not think that's ample enough punishment, but unless you've been responsible for the termination of a life yourself you can't know for sure.