***Jorge Linares vs Yuriorkis Gamboa***

And a word on this. The gym culture in Los Angeles is smack full of talent and good boxers. Guys get brought here all the time with 'talent' and go home packing to find other careers. This place is full of gym wars, and the word here when he trained here was that he was getting guys out and doing some world class stuff.

 

How about throw a counter right hand down the middle. Gamboa provides counterpunching opportunities with his style, and a straight shooter with discipline, patience, and timing can exploit this.

Why you guys act like Gamboa is so infalable is very intriguing to me. He did get dropped just a few weeks ago.

 

I don't believe I am always correct, I just know that I am correct in this particular discussion, present me some counter debate on it, it's not going to be easy and that's why you want to agree to disagree.

It's not a matter of who you like, it's a matter of 'who would likely win' and Linares being favoured is utterly non-sensical if video is reviewed unbiased.

Gamboa has issue's that need correcting, but the entire feather crop, including Linares, is nothing compared to the 130-135 crop.

I'd tip Gamboa to beat Soto, much less a lesser than Soto in Linares.

That's because Gamboa has the ability to back up big hype and can easily adjust a few minor issue's, it's ridiculous to think that a fighter can't change habits and learn professional tacticality, he's even shown some already.

Linares is overhyped because he's regarded as a future P4P(****ing ABSURD), when he's just a decent fighter with good fundamentals and young with potential to be more, he'd have to improve some 5x to be a top P4P like people think he will be and nobody looks at his glaring flaws and vulnerability's, because people love these blue collar type fighters who seem humble and want to get on flashy fighters with arrogance immediatley.

Firstly, he becomes sharper and better tactically, using distance more so(where he is very hard to tag when coming in and out timing 1-2's and not just blazing combo's). Second, he learns the ropes in the pro game gradually.

Third, it doesn't matter until he fights a top elite, non are around at 126-130, but now with JMM, Pac and other at 135, I'd never tip him as he stands now to beat any of them, obviously, but this is 3 levels up from Jorge Linares.

Now let me ask you something. What the **** does this have to do with how he'd perform against average Jorge Linares?

It seems more of 'lets pick apart Gamboa and avoid the issue's with Linares despite the fact that we're talking of Gamboa vs. Linares as it stands now'.

His boxing intellect is high, he will learn to use his physical gifts like a master and not like an amatuer now.

If he doesn't correct this, he will still be a titlist and hard to deal with fighter, just not a P4P and top P4P elites will KO him, but this is not Jorge Linares I am talking of here as a top elite.

 

You see the thing for me ACB is that I believe Gamboa has enough freakish talent to get away with dropping his hands....when he actually focuses on defense. He throws so many damn punches and is so offensive minded that this isn't often though. The problem (again imo) is that he is dropping his hands coming out of combos and after throwing double or triple jabs. Now thats not good. But I think that through many rounds of sparring, with consequences for dropping those hands at bad times, could change it. Hopefully he meshes well with Cuellar, cause that bond can make all the difference sometimes. I highly doubt he EVER completely stops dropping his hands though, and I hope not because it does actually work for him when he's set and ready. If it didn't work then guys wouldn't just stand there not throwing when his hands are down. Anyways though he does need to keep them up more often (after unloading combos, etc)

 

Sure, Gamboa gets clipped by 1 while Linares get nailed by 3, with Linares lacking the KO power to really discourage the onslaught. He doesn't hit as hard as Jimenez, who even with a temple shot KD, didn't discourage Gamboa from coming and Gamboa's speed, timing and precision is already world class, leaky defence or not.

Yes he did, on a temple shot from a guy who can actually hit and I don't mean just break you down type power, a guy who has the power to starch people.

 

Lol you seem angry over friendly disagreement. Me saying agree to disagree isn't avoiding counter arguement, in fact I have already said my piece on both boxer's strengths and weaknesses and don't have much more to say.

I put more trust in fundamental skill sets (high hands, disciplined body work, punch variation, straight punching) than I do in skill sets like Gamboa's until proven otherwise. And I have already reiterated the fact that Gamboa won't be able to reverse his style in my opinion. And I have expressed the fact that I trust very much what I hear through contacts in other gyms here (no matter how absure many may think this is).

Your asking me why Gamboa would lose to Linares, specificaly. My answer is that Gamboa at this time is going to be vulnerable to any upper quality fighter with the ability to throw straight, mantain a disciplined attack to the body, and has the talent that Linares has-- irregardless of whether you think he has it or not.

 

That temple shot was a good, not great shot. The punch was smothered and you know the consequence of that.

 

I understand why you think he can get away with it given the talent level. What I saw in his last fight however was that his reflexes are a hair slower than the superhuman reflexes needed to fight that style.

 

Anyways fellas, early morning tommorow, have a good night. We can pick up later, although I don't see any reason why, our opinions have been stated on the matter.

 

:good only time shall tell my friend

 

Time doesn't need to tell anything, we're dealing in asbolutes here and I am correct about Linares.

Someone wants to call me out that I've picked some fights wrong here and there, go ahead, but I cannot recall when I've seriously been wrong about rating a fighters level and ability when I have adequate viewings of him.

 

Yeh I REALLY get the feeling that we are about to witness a one of a kind fighter in Gamboa. After watching him against Jiminez he actually reminded me of Pryor a bit, but with even better reflexes and speed. What are your thoughts on Abner Mares? To be honest, I was really high on him but upon reviewing his fights a couple weeks ago he started to look ordinary to me

 

It's often people get high on someone from the excitement of a performance, especially one that showcases some exceptional quality's, the fan often doesn't note the flaws also and while flaws are correctable, like Gamboa's, some are more severe, like Mares'.

I think a lot of people would realise how ordinary Linares is if they get it out of their head that Larios was a washed up C level fighter by that point.

 

WHAT!? Gam is a great talent but lets not get carried away. Pryor was a rare boxer who career got cut short by his outside habits. But when he was on and focused Gamboa could compete at any level with him.

Maybe in speed they are similar. Gam is a very flashy and fast fighter, but Aaron still was the best fighter/boxer I've ever saw. His reflexes were unmatched. He would hold his hands down for 90% of a fight (if it lasted) and lean, dodge, dip and weave his way to being unmarked until he found his shot to get his opponent out of there. Gam is good but again...he's not proven to be GREAT yet but he has the talent and skill to get there. There have been many talents like Gam who didn't get there I just hope he is not on that list or pushed too far too fast and derail his potential greatness.

 

Linares is a very SOLID fighter. A overall great technician. He is very strong and accurate with his shots. He is dangerous for any one but more so for a guy like Gamboa. Gam would no doubt get eaten up by counter punches from Linares with the way he keeps his hands down and chin up to rally off flashy punches.

I'm sure Linares would take some of Gam's own leather as well with some speedy and fast combos, but it's inbetween his flashy combos is where he is very open to a "GOOD" counter puchers offense.

This fight is a perfect fight to see who is better at both men's early careers...moreso for Gamboa. I don't think he's quite ready for Jorge yet, but the talent and skill is undeniable. So is his Ameture habits.

I think Linares takes it by mid to late KO at this point. But down the line if Gam can come in to his own "PRO" style by experience at this level, he "could be" great.