Jose Luis Garcia KO 8 Ken Norton...did this really happen?

Jose Luis Garcia looked pretty fit in that fight. There wasn't an ounce of baggage on him.. He was actually a better fighter than his record suggests.

 

Kenny Norton had just been featured in glowing terms in a ring magazine article, and indeed looked a cant miss prospect, but the Garcia camp set an ambush and the Norton camp walked right into it without doing their homework. Garcia was a smallish Heavy, certainly when compared to Norton, but he was fit fast could box and certainly could punch. it should of been Garcia's springboard to better things, but apart from a world ranking not a lot seemed to come from Garcia after this, apparently he hit the bottle, became bloated, and fell easy victim to Norton in a subsequent return and Ron Lyle quickly despatched him also.

Jose in his short peak would probably of made a very good cruiser, but like other fighters, who were smallish heavy's who could punch, like Ted Gullick, with no cruiser division, they became fodder for genuine heavy threats like Foreman and Lyle, Joe Alexander was another thunderous punching heavy who might of prospered with a cruiser title to shoot for
(Joe can ve seen on utube heavily dropping Jerry Quarry in the 1st round - but could not cope with Jerry's heavyweight response in the 2nd )

 

tiger ted was a good fighter he just went on the road and tested fighters as "the opponent" to make ends meet but he could give anyone a fight. His record proves this. He gave a peak archie moore a fight for one. there is a tiger ted on most champions records. an opponent whos record dosnt look good since he was the "away fighter" against the "house fighter" his whole career.

young fans think boxing was a sport like it is now but back then even if you were good there just wasnt room for all the talent to get the backing they deserved.

even now Anyone with a good record has been the "house fighter".

 

Good post.

 

kenNortons69 you dont rate archie moore then? I think your not looking past the stats. Ted was obviously an awkward handfull otherwise moore (a more seasoned world class operater at that level than marciano at that time) would have exposed lowry.


didnt dave jako ko razor ruddock?

 

atsch

Joe Alexander and Quarry both turned pro at the same 180ish weight. At the time of the fight, Alexander was actually the heavier man at 205 lb. Quarry was under 200...so I'm not sure what heavyweight response you are speaking of, he was simply the tougher more experienced fighter, taking advantage of Alexander's over anxious follow up attack...this fight had nothing to with Quarry being bigger or stronger, because he was smaller heavy himself and the lighter man in this fight. Very weird analogy, if anything, Quarry would benefit from a cruiser divison..not because he couldn't handle big men like Lyle but so he wouldn't have to fight greats Ali and Frazier.

 

Boxrec say that Marciano won the fight.

I giuess that they are mistaken about that just like they are mistaken about Ken Norton loosing to a 188lb fighter who was not even a real heavyweight.

 

Now your talking. many people think quick tillis beat tyson, had tillis fought 100 times exclusivly as "the away fighter" when he fought tyson he would have had a 50-50 record at that time also. ossie ocasio nearly beat lennox -had ossie had 100 fights you could say the same, Bowe lost to tubbs etc, foreman did not beat schulz and saverese etc. your point is?

my point is a good fighter matched as the "away fighter" his whole life will read 50-50 and still be a good fighter who lost all close fights to the "home fighter".

 

Because something happens once in a blue moon does not mean it happens the overwhelming preponderance of times. When pro fighters are in a ring, anything CAN happen. No one can predict the actual outcome. However, good observers with analytical skills and predict the probability of the outcome.

 

please, dont feed them. it brings them back for more.

 

The classic for is getting stupid. This used to be a sanctuary from the madness of the general forum.

 

Noticed this.

 

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