Jose Napoles vs Julio Cesar Chavez 140lb

Ok, open fire on me for this one...but Jose Napoles outboxes, outclasses, and just generally demonstrates his overall superiority over Julio Cesar Chavez. Of course Chavez would have his moments, but make no mistake about who would win this fight. Mantequilla would have been the best fighter Julio ever met, and not at all vice versa. Napoles stops Chavez in 11 rounds, probably due to enjoying his work and taking his time..prolonging the pleasure.

 

I also like Napoles here.

 

I like Napoles for sure but he'd have to be 100% on it ..

 

I’m going JC Superstar. Napoles was at his peak at welter and he did virtually nothing of note at 140. So we’re looking at Chavez at a weight where he proved a lot vs. a Napoles who hasn’t yet grown into his body or proven himself at a world-class level.

I’’d call it JCC by unanimous decision.

 

Napoles, unless it's in Texas....

 

Laurence Cole, my compadre, as referee? LOL !!!

 

Fair enough.

 

I get your point but it is important to not Napoles was like Pryor in the fact that he dominated a higher weight division than he naturally needed to fit in .. he was another that moved up for opposition .. he could have stayed at 140 NP.

 

Pat, I disagree with your point about Napoles having done nothing of note at 140. He was ranked in the Rings top 10 for 5 years straight - the last three as their top contender - but could not get a title shot. Even when told he had to defend against Napoles, Sandro Lopoppolo found some way around it. I believe there was actually a contract signed as well, but escape it he did. During his time at 140 Napoles beat Eddie Perkins, Carlos Hernandez, Adolph Pruitt, Alfredo Urbina, Raul Soriano, LC Morgan, Baby Vasquez, Johnny Santos and Eugenio Espinoza. These were all top men in the division. If Chavez and Napoles went head to head prime for prime, I would immediately pick Napoles on a 15 round decision in a great fight.

 

Pruitt was 16-4. Perkins had 10 losses. Hernandez was indeed quality. Urbina had double-digit losses. Morgan had lost more than 25 fights, Baby Vasquez 30 defeats. Etc.

I don’t think there’s any question that JCC faced better opposition at 140 and has a better resume at the weight.

If you think Napoles beats him, fair play, but I dont think the resumes at junior welter compare.

 

Pat, I was disagreeing with your comment that Napoles had done nothing of note at 140, not comparing resumes. However, dissing some of these fighters is not worthy of you, my man. These guys back then had losses on their records, but it was because they fought EVERYONE. Alfredo Urbina was the #3 lightweight in the world when Napoles knocked him out. Baby Vasquez had losses on his record but that was because he was fighting everyone since 1949 and was still Mexican lightweight champ. Eddie Perkins, whom you said had 10 losses had just lost his world 140 lb. title a few months earlier and was still the top contender. LC Morgan was one of the most dangerous boogeymen in the business - as Napoles found out - but Napoles still knocked him out on 3 other occasions. Adolph Pruitt was the #2 contender right behind the #1 Napoles when they fought. How many fighters today do that and still can't get a title shot? Again, 5 years in the 140 lb rankings against the best competition. I think he did plenty at that weight and would have done more had Hernandez or Lopopollo given him a chance.

 

I agree 100% with this post scar...everything about it...especially well said was how deceptive the "L's" were on those guy's records..back then there was more quality and substance than these latter days with all the glitzy "0's" and protected test tube engineered records,...uhh, excuse me, ahem...I meant ""resumes""".....

 

Great material for a thread @scartissue .....about what would have happened if Lopopopopopolo have stepped up and given Napoles a crack at his title....and afterwards, i.e., who Jose would have defended against,..namely Paul Fuji,...perhaps a rematch with Hernandez,...etc.,...hmmmmm