Jose Napoles vs Kid Gavilan

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  1. richie leon

    richie leon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Never seen this fight discussed. Two top-10 ATG welterweights, both from Cuba although Napoles is ofcourse very much associated with Mexico.

    Personally, i see Gavilan whipping in those uppercuts on the shorter Napoles, missing plenty but landing enough to cut up that vulnerable skin of Napoles and stop him late. Napoles would land plenty of bombs along the way, but Gavilan's granite chin would be able to withstand them (after all, it withstood the punches of a prime SRR).

    What say you?
     
  2. AREA 53

    AREA 53 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It is probably too much of an "Head-Sratcher" to be fully sold on a victor one way or the other, i must certainly concur concerning a stoppage though, if Jose's eyes could let him down against Billy Backus first time round its not to be discounted that a similar situation could occur here, against a much more technically cultured puncher like the Kid..

    However, barring cuts, i tend to think that Jose, in his prime usually boxed well within himself, syncted into the timing of his opponent and was not concerned to achieve spectacular quick ko's, in fact it was only his rematches with Pruitt and perhaps Hedge Lewis that Jose seemed to be a bit more spiteful than usual
    he would need that element of spite here to perhaps gain that bit of respect from the Kid that could see him stay a half step ahead, the Kid would keep trying, keep coming, Jose is not a physically imposing bull of a fighter, more the classy relaxed Matador, and at his best never had any stamina worries, i dont know why, but i cant help feel that in Many of these type of "Ëlite" matches, be it against a Hearns or Leonard a montreaL Duran, The Kid would come out a close second, with the victor glad to hear the final bell, i think thats the case here, Jose's superb Timing, Balance...and Anticipation help him to a close victory...and he wouldnt be able to stay in his usual relaxed cruise mode to attain it. Jose close points for me.
     
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  3. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Gavvy to tough and experienced to be hurt really bad or ko'ed, but I think Napoles edges him in a close decision. I love Gavilan and respect him, but Mantequilla just isn't the ordinary fighter.
     
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  4. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    co-sign. and I gotta say that a cut stoppage is unlikely; napoles' skin is VASTLY underrated. still, if you have a shoe shin type puncher at times like gavilian whose attacks had a slashing nature, that possibility goes up
     
  5. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Thank you Jorodz...finally, the voice of sanity. You'd think, that in every hypothetical matchup that Jose was the Cuban Henry Cooper.
     
  6. richie leon

    richie leon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well i must admit that i'm not enough of an expert on Napoles to decide if his reputation as a 'Cuban Henry Cooper' is justifiable or not, so i'll take your word that it's not. Obviously, cuts aside, Napoles was a totally different class of fighter than the Brit.

    Certainly, my 'prediction' of a late Gavilan tko is an iffy one, and i know enough about Mantequilla to know that he was a very special fighter with a beautiful fluid style, great head movement and precise combination punches.

    It's just that i feel that the kind of slashing, whipping punches that Gavilan threw are the perfect recipe to do some serious damage to a guy who was stopped on cuts several times in his career.
     
  7. Rex Tickard

    Rex Tickard Active Member Full Member

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    Even barring cuts, I think Gavilan's height and range would be the deciding factor between two otherwise evenly matched fighters. Plus Gavilan was tested and proven against better competition IMO.
     
  8. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Napoles is accorded plenty of respect on here.He's hardly downgraded constantly because of being a bit cut-prone as his career went on.
     
  9. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    And this is real bull****...Mantequilla would have been a nightmare for any great welter of history, even Robinson, never mind Hearns, Gavilan, Leonard and Duran.
     
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  10. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    NOt sure i get what you're saying is bull**** red.

    I was saying he gets plenty of respect(s he should)he's hardly seen as a cuban henry cooper.Except maybe by a few trolls or whatever.
     
  11. Quick Cash

    Quick Cash Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If forced on his heels, The Kid's output might dip to minimalist proportions. This would enable Mantequila to steadily grind out rounds behind his water-tortuous combinations.

    I've always favored Jose up to this point, but his propensity to slip - not block - incoming punches could very well lead to cuts, especially against a slashing Gavilan. This is a real threat for Napoles. Gavilan, perhaps contrasting popular perception, is also possessed of an undervalued elusiveness when moved to defend; he is not unlike Napoles, though the latter would constantly bob, weave and slip in fluid motion throughout.

    In the end, while I regard Napoles as the better technician, the cut stoppage prevails upon me. I think Kid jumps him at opportune moments, unleashing damaging blows around his eyes.
     
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  12. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Nearly two years later lora, I apologize for not clarifying this..I was calling "BS" on that perception of him as a guy who loses to everyone on cuts, as some posters have implied....not to the content of your post....:good...hey, late is better than never!
     
  13. asero

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    i will pick Napoles by decision. He has enough footwork to neutralize Gavilan's skill. Obviously he lands the sharper blows.

    If Gavilan struggled with Ike Williams, an equally sound fighter in Napoles will be hard to outpoint
     
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  14. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    How I envisage it. Napoles is the superior technician but it would take a Robinson or SRL to convincingly defeat a prime Gavilan,
     
  15. Jel

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    Heck of a fight. I’m a huge Napoles fan but I have a sneaking feeling the kid edges this one. Probably a split decision with the fight in the balance going into the championship rounds.
     
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