Jose Roman....the first Hispanic fighter to fight for the heavyweight title

So are you saying Fitz was Chinese? Or Firpo?

 

Well, since at one time or another, he’s been claimed to have been British, Australian, a New Zealander and American, lets go with Fitz.

And before anyone thinks he’s a German as well, I say Fitz not Fritz.

 

I'm feeling bad for poor Jose. He was a pretty solid edge-of-the-top-20 heavyweight for some years and fought often and all over and gets no respect. He gets wiped out like a bug by a windshield wiper in his one high profile fight with Big George and remembered as a joke by fight fans. And here he gets disrespected again in a four page thread started about him that gets twisted into "What constitutes a Hispanic?"

Tough crowd.

 

I can't believe people are actually claiming that Argentinians of Italian heritage cannot be "Hispanics"..
Italian heritage accounts for more than 50% of the population of Argentina, for crying out loud.
But Argentines are clearly hispanic.
The country is a former Spanish possession and the national language is Spanish and the culture heavily influenced by Spain.
That's what hispanic is.
"Hispanic" doesn't exist as a separate culure or specific ethnic group. It just means from the Spanish-speaking countries.

 

We are not talking about Italians from Italy.
We are talking about Argentinian born people.

 

The voice of SANITY speaks,or if you prefer , CORDURA!

 

Obviously Bonavena and Firpo are Argentinian Nationals. But they were ethnic Italians. Simply Argentine by nationality.

So yes I think they would identify as Argentine first, Italian by ethnicity.

As you say, Hispanic or Latino is a separate thing.

Hispanic is not a nationality. It simply means “ from Spanish speaking countries”.

To my mind to identify as Latino/ Hispanic over a single ethnicity, in most cases that would imply shared European and Indigenous ancestry. Since Latino relates only to the history and culture and identity of those places of birth.

Children born to first generation European immigrants are not strictly part of this. Though tThey are raised within a Hispanic culture. nationality and ethnicity are separate to Culture.

Paulino Uzcudun was a European. He was neither Hispanic culturally, a Latino, or born within a South American Nation.

 

Uzcudun spoke Spanish he came from a Spanish country ,hence he ticked all the boxes to be referred to as Hispanic .
You are a sad person with nothing better to do than come on sites like this and be berated for being an absolute numbskull.
Get yourself a ****ing life, you total zero!!

 

I am sorry you feel that way. I simply disagree with you. And so does Spain.

The people of Spain are called Spaniards. They speak Spanish (in Spanish, "Caste llano", from Castillo, or "Espalier"). They speak other languages in some parts of the country. They are Catalan, Basque, and Galician, Leonese, Aragonese, Aranese Occitan and even Portuguese.

Latino is more frequently used to refer generally to anyone of Latin American origin or ancestry, which includes Brazilians.

Paulino was not Latin American.

 

Mexican Pete Everett deserves a mention.

 

Argentina is a Spanish speaking country, with a Spanish culture and history.
It's pretty obvious they are included as Hispanics. If you are born and grow up in Argentina you are included as Hispanic, unless you lived in some remote colony in the jungle separate from Argentine society.
There's no need to complicate things or create your own definitions. And it doesn't matter how they would "identify as", that's like me saying I'm not an "Anglo" because no one ever uses that word or identifies as such.
This isn't about identity/race/ethnicity beyond the simple points of nationality, national culture and (very importantly) language.

I have no idea why you bring "shared European and indigenous ancestry" into your definition.
Many hispanics are black (African ancestry) so I have no idea how they fit in under your definition.
Panama AL Brown has been called the first hispanic world champion but he FAILS on several of your criteria, surely.

"Latin" actually includes Italians, French and Portuguese speakers as well as Spanish. As opposed to "Anglophone" America.
But let's not overcomplicate things. The thread title says "hispanic".

 

Yeah under the title of the thread these guys share a culture. Not an ethnicity.

So ok, these were the first guys to fight for the heavyweight title to share the Hispanic culture. I understand it now.

 

The guy's a complete waste of time.You get annoyed for allowing yourself to engage with him.

 

I saw the fight live, you gotta be kidding! Roman's lucky he did not end up in the Morgue.