###Joseph Agbeko-Abner Mares II / Vic Darchinyan-Anselmo Moreno Build-Up Thread###

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  1. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    Told you he'd be better inside.;)

    Good post though, despite the fact that when I re-watch the fight I'll probably have an opinion to the contrary. That's why we're here though I suppose.:yep

    War Crabchinyan also, I have my ''he was shot'' posts in my back pocket if Moreno does manage to win.:lol:
     
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  2. WalletInspector

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    You've changed your tune.







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  3. LP_1985

    LP_1985 JMM beat Pac-Man 3 Times Full Member

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    Great post JFT96
     
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  4. WalletInspector

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    Oh, and WAR AGBEKO! :ibutt
     
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  5. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    Wallet's redeemed himself.
     
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  6. jordan1

    jordan1 Juan Lopez #1 Full Member

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    Mares wins by Wide UD or Late KO
     
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  7. JFT96

    JFT96 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You did and you were right :deal. I might have been a little harsh on Mares there, I remember he did have a few good moments of getting shots off on the inside and then moving out of range but when he tired later, he was just unable to move away and was outworked and outlanded by King Kong.

    The Mares of the middle rounds vs Perez (I know that is a very specific timeframe :lol:) is what I'm hoping turns up for his fight. That's the most intelligent I've seen him box in fights vs the elite bantamweights and was where he was able to dominate most IMO, because he was on the outside primarily.

    Cheers bud :good. He's got a tough task on his hands but I'm sure he can do it- hopefully he's the only Mexican winner that night ;)
     
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  8. WalletInspector

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM64SamyS2s&feature=relmfu[/ame]

    War Agbeko.
     
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  9. Bryn

    Bryn Boxing Junkie banned

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    I hope that **** knocking **** gets what's coming to him.
     
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  10. SkillspayBills

    SkillspayBills Mandanda Running E-Pen Full Member

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    Need to watch the first fight but saw the low blows and Mares is just a dirty ****. He pretends he doesn't know but most of his shots are aimed ridiculously low.

    Hope Agbeko beats him and Vic beats Moreno, Real Shame this is on same night as Cotto but i'll be extremely interested and will catch up next morning.
     
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  11. mckay_89

    mckay_89 Haw you! Full Member

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    I know I'm a lazy **** for this but I can't be arsed checking the TV thread,... Is this on Premier?
     
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  12. SportsLeader

    SportsLeader Chilling Full Member

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    Moreno won't win - I don't think.

    I hope he doesn't win.
     
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  13. JFT96

    JFT96 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Finally decided who I think will win and I've voted Mares & Moreno. Mares because I do think still he has a genuinely good chance to win but also because of my bias :lol:.

    I did think originally that Vic would smash Moreno but having thought about it more, I can see it being a very difficult nights work for him. Moreno is possibly the most defensive fighter out there at the moment and his style is based firmly around taking as little risks as possible. Using the southpaw and reach advantages he has to basically fight with only his jab and straight left (with the very occasionaly sneaky uppercut) is as basic as it comes but I suppose it has become effective.

    And that's what presents such a problem for Vic in my mind. He won't get Moreno to break from his adopted style because he never does so getting inside will be a challenge. The Darchinyan of the Mijares fight I'd pick by KO because his angles in that fight to get his shots off were excellent but I don't quite feel he is that fighter nowadays. And the high output, tip tap pucnhes of Moreno necessitates a fighter to have pretty perfect footwork to get inside long enough to get their best work done. Cermeno and in particular Sydorenko are pressure fighters I admire but even they just couldn't quite pin Moreno down.

    And the problem I find with Darchinyan is that his patience isn't his best asset and he can at times just lunge in and try to bully his opponent. Agbeko ruthlessly punished that and whilst I don't think Moreno is as gifted as King Kong, he is good enough to capitalise on mistakes by Vic and get his own scoring shots away before getting out of range.

    If Darchinyan fights the perfect fight and sensibly applies pressure continuously, I could see him getting the win. But I just feel Moreno, for all the predicability he brings, is an awkward customer and I'm just not sure Vic is the right man to figure him out. I'll go with Moreno on pts.
     
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  14. ishy

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    :happy:happy:happy

    Yep :good
     
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  15. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    Absolutely gutted that I won't be able to see neither this or the Cotto-Margarito card live. I've never been the best when it comes to planning(purchasing tickets to Villa-Blackburn earlier this season as an impulse buy being a prime example), but dear god even by my standards this is pathetic. Knowing the weekend that's in it I somehow to conspire to organise a trip where I'll be gone for the weekend.:lol::patsch:verysad

    Anyways, my views on Agbeko-Mares haven't swayed from what they were in the original build-up thread, simply because that went pretty much the way I anticipated(not to sound big-headed or nothing). Aside from a certain referee that is, take Mora out of the equation and King Kong would've taken it close but clear.

    I doubt Mares will adapt his plan from the first fight by trying to outbox Agbeko in some capacity, simply because A) he doesn't have the discipline and B) will get frustrated by the fact Agbeko won't indulge him on it. Agbeko's rangier, and won't(in my opinion) try to close down range and play into Mares' hands. As they say, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. And aside from Joseph's crotch there's not an awful lot to change from the first bout.

    He'll draw Abner's lead again and expose the same limitations I think. The workrate will bother him and I think Mares will take most of the early rounds, but much like last time he'll adjust. His footwork is far superior to Mares' and he's more versatile in general. Mares follows rather than cutting off the ring, and when he does that Agbeko can have his way as he can either box from range as he did for most of the first fight by timing him on the way inside and side-stepping him handily, or he can allow him in but leave him poorly positioned, again like the first fight.

    They both have the ability to adjust, but the difference between them is that Agbeko can stick to that adaptation without eventually getting carried away and trading again. When Mares reverted to what he should do and threw straight shots consistently he'd have success initially before King Kong switched to doing what he did in the Darchinyan fight with his awkward brand of upper body movement that was able to offset Mares' offense.

    This in turn led to Abner becoming increasingly frustrated and repeatedly going low even more than is his custom. He tends to do this when things aren't going his way, be it when Darchinyan was beginning to outmove him or Agbeko started to out-everything him, he goes really low with his punches and puts real menace behind them too. I really don't buy his excuse that he didn't do it intentionally, there's borderline and there's being in Texas, and Mares was in Texas.

    As I went deeper into in the first thread, this is Agbeko's fight to lose in a stylistic sense, as the way he goes about his work is pretty much the blueprint on how to outhustle and annoy Mares(when you're on the same level as him that is, obviously there's a guy like Donaire that would just decimate him either way). There's world between them regarding quality of footwork and their effectiveness when adapting, and they were the most prominent legal issues in the first bout, and Agbeko certainly came out on top in that duel.


    WAR KING KONG!:ibutt :ibutt :ibutt


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