Joseph Dennis Parker vs. Hughie Lewis Fury

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by IntentionalButt, Sep 18, 2017.


Explosive Joseph or Fists of Fury?

Poll closed Sep 23, 2017.
  1. Parker on points

    16.5%
  2. Parker by stoppage

    37.4%
  3. Draw

    3.5%
  4. Fury on points

    40.0%
  5. Fury by stoppage

    2.6%
  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    The challenger is three years the champion's junior, has the hometown advantage, is a switch-hitter, and is bigger (to the tune of an advantage of 2" height in and 4" of reach) with the busier & more educated jab that he can land from a probably wider array of angles, plus a defensive style built around using his length & minding distance and landing pot shots with the jab and long uppercut on the body prior to slide-stepping or swaying back outside the opponent's range. The champion, however, is blessed with quite likely double as much natural striking power and quite a bit more hand speed as well, and is able to deploy his own very capable body attack delivered more sharply - not to mention having faced by far the higher level of competition, his greatest struggle to date being with Carlos Takam (compare with Fury, who struggled in victory over Fred " In Every Way The Poor Man's Carlos Takam" Kassi) - a close but clear verdict in a rare distance bout, as was his capture of the vacant WBO title over unbeaten Andy Ruiz Jr. last year. The question remains whether the slick-for-his-size Hughie indeed represents a step up from the likes of Takam and Ruiz Jr., a question that ought to be thoroughly answered come Saturday.

    I think Fury might bag a few early rounds while Parker is sniffing him out and solving the puzzle of the Brit's awkward movement, size, and jab. Ultimately the Kiwi should, however, begin to catch up to Fury (whom so far has never been confronted with or had that slickness tested by any relentless pressure from anyone boasting Parker's athleticism or foot speed that was also close to his own size) and either a. cut up that acne-ravaged epidermis, b. wear down Hughie's questionable stamina with attrition of body shots, or c. reveal whether Tyson's cousin has an upper limit on his punch resistance of less than "Hagleresque". By hook or by crook, I think Parker stops him mid-late - whether by facial damage, towel due to Hughie shelling up taking abuse on the ropes after fatiguing, or a straight up old fashioned KO if Parker starts to get in bombs and Fury proves to have less than an iron chin.
     
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  2. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I hope you are right, it's encouraging to hear that assessment from such a knowledgeable poster.
     
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  3. Sir Will Wigan

    Sir Will Wigan HLF: A Real "Fightin' Man" Full Member

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    I really, really, really hope you're right. But I fear not and I expect a rancid (in more ways than one) UD for Hughie Fury.
     
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  4. like a boss

    like a boss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Fury is promising. But has beaten nobody, never been 12 rounds and never been hit like Parker will hit him.

    Parker KO.
     
  5. theanatolian

    theanatolian Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Excellent break down. I got Parker on points.
     
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  6. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Parker by very close decision in a dull fight where Parker tries to catch Fury while Hughie moves, jabs and clinches.
     
  7. Ilikeboxing

    Ilikeboxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nice breakdown as ever IB. I'll just throw into the mix though about Hughie's illness making him not reach his full potential which was pretty staggering a few years ago when he first arrived on the scene. Apparently, he's now over the blood/skin issue and we'll be seeing a 100% Fury as opposed to a 75% one.

    After Parker's recent bouts he's seems to have regressed as a fighter from when he first showed up onto the scene around the same time as Hughie. Looking at his previous bouts, I don't see his head first approach working to well vs a retreating, 1-2's Hughie will be throwing his way, and with that reach advantage Parker has got to go for broke, which will give Hughie plenty of time to throw his underrated bodyshots which will wear him down.
     
  8. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    I think despite Fury's youth he's the more complete fighter. His movement and versatility will see him win a decision. Parker will be dangerous early but he'll run out of ideas and become frustrated as the fight goes on.

    While it's a big step up in class for Hughie, Parker is also stepping up in some ways. He's not fought anyone like Hughie. Parker looks great when he lets his hands go against a stationary target but Hughie moves too well to allow Parker to set and throw his combinations and Parker doesn't have the stamina and work rate to pressure Hughie to force a stoppage via attrition.
     
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  9. Boxingfan200

    Boxingfan200 USYK #1 P4P banned Full Member

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    really hoping parker pulls thiss off hes my favorite boxer along with GGG:p
     
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  10. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Challengers fight champion s harder. Hughie at 6'6 and good boxing overall ability present Parkers toughest challenge so far.How good of one? P. Fury has more ways to win here than parkers one dimensional approach which is basic boxing /less angles and easy to see repiticious combos. Hughies ultimate down fall is and will be power eventually in this or a future fight. You're not going to get to the top level without some type of power today and I think this fight is going to show why, assuming parker actually shows a pulse in there and doesn't look like hes sleep walking fighting to opponents levels.

    Parker doesn't want to go to judges, maybe the ref thing too makes him move faster and try and get Hughie out early? His stamina is also questionable bc he breaths heavy in almost every fight even early on, this could be a problem too unless he did have the best training camp so far? Got to believe Parker and Barry get this one right.

    Parker 9th rnd TKO. Could see Peter throwing towel in.
     
  11. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I just see more paths to conquest for Parker. As outlined above, there are up to potentially three different methods of stoppage in play (two of them very plausible, based on past evidence of weak skin and flagging endurance; the last depending on the the as-yet inscrutable uncertainty of whether or not Hughie's chin is elite) for him, while I don't see the feather-fisted Hughie really finding any way to stop Parker, unless the uppercuts downstairs mount up and Parker's own conditioning (which isn't perfect to say the least, but I suspect is the superior gas tank in this match - we shall just have to see this weekend) utterly shits the bed, perhaps due to Joe punching himself out stupidly chasing after Fury early while the latter is still able to shuffle, jab, and lean his greater height away in a hard-target manner without much wasting of energy. In the event it ends prematurely, I'd say there's at minimum 80% likelihood that's going to be in favor of the champ.

    Now, should it reach the cards, you still have these factors to consider on both sides:

    This will be in Manchester (pro: HF)
    This will have Terry O'Connor as the ref (pro: HF)
    This will be Hughie's first match in 17 months, and Joe's sixth in that same time span (pro: JP)
    This will be scheduled for twelve rounds - a distance Parker has gone thrice, while Fury has at his own farthest thrice gone ten, versus much weaker stock than Parker's 12-rounder opponents. (pro: JP)
    This will pit Hughie's volume and shooting at different altitudes (pendulum body uppercuts and high jabs) from awkward, unpredictable angles versus Parker's snappier and lengthier power combinations - two styles that each have legion pro judges preferring them. (pro: ???)

    If we go to scorecards, I call the outcome 50-50. That is a big if, though, and if we don't Parker is all but assured his 2nd title defense.
     
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  12. bbjc

    bbjc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Got a suspicion fury might win this. Heard mick hennesay talking today saying that hueys hitting very very hard atm. Its not a sentence anyones seen before about huey fury. We,ve had pictures and videos of huey chopping wood. Usually that means one thing. Dont be surprised if huey suddenly becomes a bit of a puncher and he ends up making parker hesitant to throw. Much the same as tyson fury did against klitchko. Tyson fury couldnt crack an egg for years. Suddenly hes got the worlds best heavyweight hesitant to exchange with him.

    If hueys to have success he needs something to keep parker off with...my moneys on him becoming a bit of a puncher overnight.

    Last time i seen someone chopping wood was mayweather against pacman. Probably the hardest i ve ever seen mayweather punch. Either chopping woods very good for improving power or...its a good way of trying to mask something.
    "The powers came from chopping wood...honest"
     
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  13. Ilikeboxing

    Ilikeboxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't think Terry will come into play that much, both fighters are not that dirty and stick to boxing. Although saying that, if Parker does manage to wear down Hughie, Terry has that nasty habit of carrying UK fighters back to their corners. Hmmm
     
  14. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    The more thought I've put into this match, the more I lean towards your assessment, for some crazy ass reason I've envisaged this as a redux of Hosea Burton-Frank Buglioni only on a much higher level and with a similar result. I stared out leaning Hughie legitimately or illegitimately, but lately I'm starting to sway over the Joe by late stoppage.
     
  15. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Yeah, it requires some hard spins of the hamster wheel. For me it comes down to, counterintuitively, totally ignoring how either looks in their best/most flattering moments and examining instead their worst times, when their respective flaws shone through most or they faced their depths of adversity in their careers so far. Parker had those moments in tough, long fights against Takam and Ruiz. Pretty respectable/forgivable. He clearly isn't a world-beater, let alone budding ATG unless he improves a ton of things (and yes he's young at 25 but I think what you see now is pretty much what to expect to get from him going forward, give or take a tweak) but he never had as embarrassing a time as Fury looking clueless before the interruption with Fred...again, less than half the fighter Takam is (and directly comparable as Takam is literally a stronger material die from the same mold). With exactly how much salt are we taking Peter Fury's claims that we have only seen Hughie at 30% or whatever until now because of the weird health stuff?
     
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